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Winchester pdx1

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by biscotrip, Jan 12, 2012.

  1. biscotrip

    biscotrip

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    I carry a glock 23c and have 180 gr winchester pdx1. Are there any street results? Are they everything they're said to be?


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    Currently round of choice for the F.B.I. if they say it mets their needs thats good enough for me, although IMHO the Speer GDHP is the same thing.
     

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    I've heard it's just the newest iteration or adaptation of the Ranger Bonded, but it looks and appears to behave exactly like a winchester Gold Dot clone.

    So it should be a fine thing to rely on.
     
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    barth six barrels

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    It's too new to have much of a street record.
    I also heard the FBI is going with them. So in time we should know.
    I run the 357 mag version in my S&W 640-1 2" snub nose.
    Replacing my old school Remington Golden Sabers.
    It is a high tech bonded bullet with low flash fast burn gunpowder.
    Looks like a cross between a T-Series and their Ranger Bonded bullets.
    Shoots sweet out of my revolver.

    I think it's a promising round.
    But I'm sticking with Winchester Ranger T-Series in 357 Sig, .40 and .45.
     
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    I have shot and carried the .40 165 pdx1. Fed great and the ballistics results appear to be good too. I would not feel bad having these bullets in a defensive situation.
     
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    What made you choose the 165 and not 180gr?
     
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    ha, its what the local Wally World had in stock. I asked them to order some 180gr but they have yet to let me know about it. tnoutdoors on youtube has tested both 165 and 180 and they both performed very well.
     
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    Many reports of this round plugging.
    When it plugs it turns into a FMJ

    I say switch to a Gold Dot or HST
     
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    hotpig IAFF Local 4766 CLM

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    I sell Ranger, Federal Tactical, Gold Dot LE, and Golden Saber Bonded LE. They all can plug up, it is a side effect of having a hole in the nose of a bullet.
     
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    CanyonMan likes it. That's good enough for me.
     
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    I've seen a number of JHP designs plug up. The 180gr PDX passed the big cow bone tests, for whatever that's worth. :)
     
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    This is why I've started carrying my .45
    No expansion at all and it's still .45
     
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    I have seen the lead slug pushed forward of the copper cup, and the lead petals sheering away from their jacket counterparts. I don't think that the bonding is as good as the Golddot. I was using the PDX1 180 grainers for my Glock 23, but decided to go with the HST's because they have excellent street results in Columbus and San Diego. I also switched to the GD short barrel in my .38 because they have excellent street results in LAPD and NYPD.

    My new rounds have to be purchased over the internet, but it's worth the hassle.
     
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    I have lots of faith that the PDX1'S will work just fine. I have them in my 642, G22 and G27. 165's in the 27 for the velocity.

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    I sell the heck out of HST ammo, but I never use it. My personal preference is the Ranger.
     
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    I had a discussion about a year ago with a Winchester rep that puts on bullet performance demonstrations. His opinion is that the T Series Ranger is a better bullet than the bonded unless you will be shooting through glass. The bonded was geared to LE for that reason, and sinced the talons are stuck to the lead, Winchester feels they can sell to civilians without any bad press.
     
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    Has there been a change in the T-series. The most recent ones I have got in 9mm and 45 seem to have a much thicker jacket in the talon (nose) area. When they expand, it appears that the jacket is what is expanding with very little lead involved. I have found in water jug tests that I am getting much more uneven expansion than I did with older version where maybe two thirds of the bullet completly expands and the rest just partially expands.
     
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    hotpig IAFF Local 4766 CLM

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    It changed two years ago. Water jug testing is for fun.It probably will not have any correlation with bullet behavior in a standardized media or flesh and bone.

    Winchester played with jacket thickness to increase the expansion and retain weight. The T Enhanced gets massive expansion but the trick is the bullet ends up folding in on itself so the recovered slug ends up being smaller in diameter. The balance of getting a slug to its peak expansion and deepest penetration without loss of weight or diameter. A much harder feat than one would imagine.
     
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    So that's the strait dope on gen 4 enhanced?
    There's no clear difference in the packaging?
    Just get new Ranger Ts and they are all Enhanced?

    I'm good with that - My ammo doesn't last two years for sure!
     
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    hotpig IAFF Local 4766 CLM

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    Easier to say second generation T-Series. If the box says T-Series on it than it is the Enhanced. If you have a T-Series part number but the box still has SXT on it than it is the original T-Series.