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Winchester Black Talon vs Winchester STX?

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by Leif, Apr 28, 2017.

  1. Leif

    Leif

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    Hi all,

    Recently was gifted an assortment of ammo from a church friend. Among this, I found two boxes that caught my eye - one of Winchester Black Talon, another of Winchester SXT. Both are 147 gr. 9mm and appear to be from the early 90s.

    Does anyone know of any differences between the two other than the coating on the Black Talon?


    On another note - I have pictures of the two rounds, but I am unable to add media. I'm fairly new to the forum; how do I earn permissions to post media?
     
  2. Glockdude1

    Glockdude1 Federal Member CLM

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    The Talon has the "claws".
    The SXT does not.
    The black coating is called lubalox.

    The Talon was a decent round 20+ years ago.


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  3. Tony Rumore

    Tony Rumore

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    Here's a pair of 230gr .45 ACP SXT bullets that were recovered from a 150 pound hog, fired from a 5" 1911. Both bullets penetrated about 3". Tissue damage was not real significant, and it took five hits to drop the little hog.

    Tony

    [​IMG]
     
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  4. dudel

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    Wouldn't want to get hit with a Black Talon today.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Talon
    Current status
    Winchester discontinued the Black Talon line completely in 2000. The “Ranger SXT” ammunition sold later by Winchester is very similar to the Black Talon though without the black Lubalox coating on the bullet. Among shooters, a running joke is that SXT stands for “Same eXact Thing", though the official branding is “Supreme eXpansion Technology”. However, there are differences in the anatomy of the bullets which become apparent when carefully examined side by side. The hollow point cavity dimensions and angles of the meplat were altered to enhance reliability of expansion, though the basic "reverse taper" design pioneered by the Black Talon was retained. This "reverse taper" refers to the bullet's jacket being thicker at the tip than toward the base, enhancing rigidity which allows the sharp petals to remain largely perpendicular to the wound path, unlike traditional designs where the expanding jacket petals would peel back almost completely behind the expanded lead mushroom. This difference is obvious after firing into ballistic gelatin.[13] In 2007 Winchester updated their Ranger SXT line and renamed it Ranger T-Series. Besides further dimensional changes to the hollow point for reliable expansion, the distinctive perpendicular petals were made longer yet more rounded at the tips to retain stiffness.​
     
  6. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    The Black Talon rends flesh from bone.
     
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  8. Glockdude1

    Glockdude1 Federal Member CLM

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    No, you are thinking of the wrong ammo......
    [​IMG]

    “Explosive Entry Fang Face, Enhanced Penetration”. It is a “compressed Tungsten-NyTrillium Composite” fragmenting round.

    They said that the bullet “fragments upon impact, leaving a wound channel of catastrophic proportions. The expansive fragmentation characteristics of the Extreme Shock rounds transfer the bullets energy in a far faster time span than conventional hollow points. The resulting stopping power is utterly devastating. E-Shock rounds are engineered to expend maximum energy into soft targets, turning the density mass into an expanding rotational cone of NyTrilium matrix particles, causing complete neurological collapse to the central nervous system.”

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