Met a friend at the rifle range the other day. He was bringing his older 1894 Winchester 30-30, so I brought my late sixties manufactured '94 also in 30-30. We shared ammo between the two guns, win loaded 170gr soft points and the newer Hornady 160gr Leverevolution Spitzer ammo- uses a soft rubber point to eliminate the tube fed chain fire concerns. My own experience with this newer 30-30 load has been limited to paper shooting, but it's an accurate load in both rifles used. Using the buckhorn open sights, we shot at 50 yards and noticed this ammo was about 1.5" higher than the 170gr load. Usually I'm good for 5 shot groups at 100 yards around 3-3.5" with this gun and ammo combo, shooting at 50 yards looked about consistent with that or better. I have some peep sights on order, looking forward to seeing what can be done with some better sights.