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Will Soda be the Tobacco of our Generation?

  1. The news often discusses how soda is so awful for you. The sugar in traditional soda, awful artificial sweeteners in diet soda. The claims that soda contributes to obesity, decreased kidney function, diabetes, tooth decay, heart burn etc. Some have even argued soda may contribute to heart disease and cancer. Many schools are now banning soda machines.

    Do you think people will look back in say 40 years and think of soda as our generation's tobacco? A ubiquitous drink that is widely accepted by mainstream society as pretty harmless.

    Is it possible that one day soda will be forbidden to market to kids? Or do you feel the media is on a witch hunt against soda giants like Coke and Pepsi?
  2. To some degree everything has a downside and as each thing is addressed, new ones will appear that are considered the new nemesis.

    Yes, soda/sugar will be vilified, as are fat and Salt. But people will continue to consume stuff that tastes good and some compromise will be made rather than promote a food revolution. (look at the schools "healthy lunch" promoted by M Obama and students throwing it away).

    More significantly, many are more than willing to tell others how to live their life, while others will do a tradeoff of quality for quantity. People are what they are.

    Drugs are bad, but they are still being consumed/used.
  3. There are some interesting parallels for sure. Tobacco is somewhat different in that it is a proven addictive substance, while sugar has no such qualities. It is surely something that is not taken in moderation, and the sweetener used (it does not matter which) can cause all sorts of problems when abused. You could alleviate many of the issues we see by soda over consumption by moderating their use, I don't think the same could be said of tobacco though.
  4. For the children, we must ban sugar or liberal socialists, I can't remember.
  5. Something composed mostly of water compared to a substance known to cause cancer?

    All fat was bad, until it wasn't.

    Sugar was bad, until HFCS.


    What will we learn next week?
  6. When I was a kid, one day, Mom came home from grocery shopping...

    And she had 2L bottles of pepsi!

    Made of glass !

    We didn't know that existed!

    Or liters!

    We drank pepsi, and then had to go outside and play.
  7. Seems like any kind of sweetener is ju ju. All things in moderation, I guess. Even the sun is bad now.
  8. **** those food nazi hippy bastards who want to tell me what I can eat and what I can drink. Those scumbags exist so Jared Fogle can have somebody to look down on.
  9. I guess with obesity the way it is in the US, they have to blame something, and we certainly cannot blame the real culprit, wheat.

    Not a big fan of HFCS either.
  10. Between the two it is hard to say which is worse. Having said that, quantity is the real problem, as small amounts of both combined with regular exercise should not pose a problem.

    One of my old GP's once said if you eliminated tobacco, alcohol and overeating from the cultural norm, his work load would drop 75%.
  11. Are you doing the paleo thing?
  12. Sugar will be the next food villain, it will replace fat. Soda, and other all-sugar junk foods will be bad.
  13. I personally have come to the conclusion it is not sugar that is the problem. HFCS is far, far worse, but is much cheaper to produce, so is the sweetener of choice. And it is better than any of the artificial sweeteners by a country mile as far as carcinogens are concerned.

    I rarely drink soft drinks. I had one bout of kidney stones and on the advice of my doctor began eliminating things from my diet, to find the cause. When I quit drinking sweet tea, my migraines reduced in frequency from a couple a week to one every few months. When I quit drinking soft drinks, I never had another kidney stone from 1983 to today. Both may be entirely coincidental but hey, go with what works.

    Anyway, when I do drink a soft drink, usually a root beer, I go Mexican and get something in a glass bottle that contains real sugar. The taste is so much better there is no comparison. I feel that one every month or so isn't excessive and will do no harm.

    The problem with any caloric intake is there must be a corresponding action to burn off the calories. I know it sounds simplistic, and trust me, have the spare tire to make a hypocrite out of me if I were to preach to anyone about diet, but weight control is all about balance.

    The spare tire represents way too much beer and way too little exercise in relation to consumption. I walk for a living and carry at least 20 pounds of gear everywhere I go, sometimes closer to 50 pounds for short distances. I average about 8 miles a day according to one of my cell phone apps. That may give you a clue about how much I like beer.
  14. Not paleo as much as gluten free. Paleo is a somewhat of a guide, but it's the gluten that is making the difference.

    Allergies, gone. Blood pressure was never a problem, but even lower. Sex drive in overdrive. Sleeping better, waking up cleaner. Lost about 20 pounds so far, but that isn't a good indicator because I am weight training again, and gaining muscle mass.

    Everyone I know who has gone gluten free is loving it and experiencing the same results.
  15. There is no good reason to drink soda. It is all calories and zero nutrition. One or two a month won't do much harm but if you think a liter or two a day is normal you might want to find a source of XXL sweatpants.
  16. People will say, "I remember when you could drink coke on a plane and in a movie theater."

    Forget gold, I'm stockpiling the pink stuff that causes cancer in lab rats to sell on the black market later.
  17. No, I don't think so. I don't see soda being regulated the way tobacco is. Not in my lifetime. I never really cared for it myself. I enjoy a root beer float every now and then, but when I'm thirsty the last thing I'm reaching for is 9 teaspoons of sugar in a can.
  18. Seems about right. I've been eating by the Paleo Diet on and off for years. It's as simple as this: when grains are in my diet, it's difficult to stay lean and when grains are out, I stay lean without even trying. They're terrible for most of us because people just don't move much nowadays.
  19. I recently gave up sugar. I am 6'00" tall and always thought "my weight" was 180-185 pounds. 3 months after giving up sugar I am now 165 pounds and don't miss the stuff.
  20. I am all about being a "free man". But there is an education component to responsibility. Little fat kids walking around chugging on a 2-liter jug of Coke or Pepsi is NOT a good thing. The parents should be slapped in the head themselves. In this day and age where we all have to pay for the decisions of others, I am more and more demanding that others exercise (pun) a bit of responsibility in their choices. I have to keep fit for my job. I have to take drug tests. i can't eat two whole-fried chickens and wash it down with 2 liters of coke at every meal. So WHY should I have to pay the health care costs of someone who does?

    Pay your own bills and not reaching into my pocket? Fine, do what you want. Don't care.
  21. There is a big difference in sodas today compared to years ago. HFCS vs Sugar.
    When I drink a soda made with HFCS, I've noticed that 1. it leaves a coating of film in my mouth after each sip and 2. that when I finish a can I have this urge to have another. These things don't happen when I drink a soda made from sugar such as Throwback Pepsi.
    HFCS is the devil's invention!
  22. Funny you give that example. We went to visit a friend who gave birth in the hospital last year - Baylor Fort Worth and I go to get a soda from a vending machine and the price was $1.25 and all they sold were 8oz. cans. For my good health no doubt.
  23. My wife went this way maybe a year ago and she reports similar results (although I am still waiting for the sex drive overdrive thing). She went full on no wheat products at all, not just Gluten free. She swears by it as well.

    For me, life without bread would be a grim fate, so after a short time of going with her on it, I quit and went back to my normal old diet, which would probably be considered pretty healthy by average people's standards. If I thought I could induce the sex drive overdrive thing in my wife, I probably would be willing to forgo the sourdough. If it only is going to happen to me, I will stick with bread. ;)
  24. If I drink six soda pops a year, that's six too many.

    I prefer good beers and distilled water as my drinks of choice. :cheers:
  25. Sustainability Issues Related to High Fructose Corn Syrup
    How does HFCS relate to sustainable food and agriculture?
    • Corn is a heavily subsidized crop in the U.S. Because of this, many farmers grow corn and nothing else. People often say that our government is subsidizing obesity by continuing corn subsidies. The subsidies keep farmers from growing vegetables and fruit and from growing diversified crops ‘ a very important part of sustainable agriculture.
    • Most of the corn used for HFCS is genetically modified. In fact, it is hard to stay away from GMO corn even if you want to. The Sethness Caramel Color company had this to say about their caramel color made from corn: “In the United States, genetically modified varieties of yellow dent corn are not segregated from traditional yellow dent corn. Consequently, corn wet millers purchasing corn on the open market are most probably using an agricultural raw material that does contain some GMO corn.” Yellow dent corn is most of the corn crop in the U.S. and is not edible by humans.
    • HFCS has replaced sugar in many processed foods mostly due to the fact that it is cheaper than sugar. It is cheaper than sugar because of taxpayer-funded government subsidies for corn and government tariffs on imports of sugar. Basing decisions about food on the cheapest product available is what led to the industrial food system that we are now fighting against.
    • Intensive corn production is taxing on the environment, especially on soil and water.

    So, setting aside whether or not HFCS is less healthy than cane or beet sugar, the main reason why its use seems to be so prevalent is price manipulation by Federal government policy. Probably moderation in all is the best policy rather than banning certain foods. In any event, the consumption of "soda" in the US has been steadily decreasing for years.
  26. From my perspective, the thing I dislike about the "progressive viewpoint" on sodas is they think new laws curtailing its availability is how you solve a problem which is rooted in a culture of bad parenting. It is the whole "it takes a village to raise a child" thing. To me that title is a metaphor for, "only we, the Federal government, can truly raise your child properly".

    On education, I am all for it as long as it is rooted in fact and not belief systems. I am a skeptic of human nature, so when somebody offers me their anecdotal experience with regard to a certain type of diet, I say, "good for them, tell everyone you know about your experience, proselytize it if it suits you and definitely keep doing it unless/until it stops giving you what you need", just don't turn your positive result into public policy unless you have plenty of real scientific data to back your claim that something is actually deleterious or beneficial in the broader population. A bunch of people all nodding at the same time isn't science, it is fashion.
  27. Dentists? LOL
  28. I love pastries. I used to love those little white powdered doughnuts. Now when I see them, they look like poison. The way I feel is much better than the feeling of eating the sweets. They are like soda, once you get away from them for a while, you don't know what the attraction was. It could be that those of us who see significant improvement are "gluten insensitive" and the payoff is worth it, where some people are not gluten insensitive and don't see results enough to cause the change. After a month, I knew gluten free was for me.

    "She went full on no wheat products at all, not just Gluten free." I wasn't aware there was a difference.

    I read a biotech article a few weeks ago about a company developing a drug that allows celiacs to eat gluten. That would be cool. I would much rather see food companies and farmers going back to the old heirloom wheat, but that's not likely seeing how what they have now was bred for profit.

    As for your wife and the sex drive thing..... maybe you could change your hair color or something. Grow a pony tail. IOW, it might not be the gluten......:whistling:
  29. You rat liberal socialist bas***ds can take my 12oz Coke can from my cold dead hands. I'm a life member of the NSA. Soda doesn't cause obesity. Drinkers of excess cause obesity.
  30. Same goes for that damn fluoride in water, ban it all I say.
  31. I only subscribe to the 5 basic food groups are best for us. You know … sugar, salt, fat, chocolate (yes, its own category), and alcohol.

    On a serious note, I do partake of all of the above in moderation. And soda … diet (yes with aspartame) but only a 7 oz can 5 or 6 per week, so less than 1 per day. Moderation is the key … not deprival.
  32. You drink distilled water?
  33. I do?
  34. I didn't quote you and I don't understand your reply.
  35. I was just curious about drinking distilled water.
  36. I cannot stand soda [emoji40]
  37. Oh, your reply makes perfect sense then............
  38. Ha, ha. The truth hurts. ;)

    I am afraid we have been together so long, if I came home with a different hair color, her first call would be to one of those government hotlines asking they come and take my guns away. I can't think of anything I might do that would be more out of character. :)

    I am no expert in the subject at all, I have seen gluten free bread, I just thought it was wheat that they had removed the gluten, maybe it is a different grain, don't know. In any case, going wheat free has helped my wife, she is back to her 95lbs (she never gained a lot of weight as she always swims, yoga, etc), but she did have a tummy that has pretty much gone away. She says her inflammation is almost nonexistent. She is big believer in the evil grain theory.
  39. Typically, it's a different grain. It's best to steer away from substitution because grains are basically a family. Other grains might not have "gluten" proper, but they have a similar component that might not be as detrimental as gluten, but can have an effect. If everyone who avoided gluten went to substitution with another grain flour, in 15 years we might find we have a problem with the substitution.

    It's like sweets. It's best to get completely off of them without getting as close to the line as possible without crossing.

    The most interesting aspect of eating gluten free is that every successful diet program is basically is rooted in removing gluten. Low carb, removes gluten among other things. Paleo, removes gluten. Even though the "diet outline" in the two doesn't specifically indicate gluten removal as the reason for success, both are very effective ways of eating for managing weight and improving health.
  40. I'm going to need some clarification. Opportunity for what?
  41. Additional restorations.
  42. A nicer beach house
  43. Because I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy who would sit in the greasy spoon and think "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the big rack of Barbecued spare ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I *want* high cholesterol. I want to eat bacon, butter and buckets of cheese alright? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in a non-smoking section. I wanna run around naked with green jell-o all over my body reading a Playboy magazine. Why? Because maybe I feel the need to okay pal? I've *seen* the future, you know what it is. It's made by a 47 year-old virgin in gray pajamas soaking in a bubble bath, drinking a broccoli milkshake and thinking "I'm an Oscar-Meyer Wiener".
  44. No not even close!