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Why separate politics from a person's other efforts

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by Old School, Jul 5, 2012.

  1. Old School

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    Over in GNG there was a thread about Andy Griffith's death. I replied something along the lines that, while I enjoyed his on screen personna, I didn't care for his real life politics. My reply, along with some others that were quite a bit more crass, were deleted and was directed to post politics in this forum.

    It made me think. When remembering a person in death, why should we separate their active politics from their other actions? I could understand if the person did not voluntarily enter politics and tried to stay out (e.g., a politician's child). But in this case Andy Griffith worked to elect a lot of gun control politicians. I imagine that the folks over at the Brady Bunch are remembering that with fondness, but in GlockTalk we have to edit our replies so that we only remember what is judged to be appropriate or decent - even if it only existed on a TV show.
     
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    I think the issue is more that it is in bad taste to speak ill of the recently deceased. A grossly exaggerated example would be protesting at someone's funeral. I think that is something we can all agree is uncalled for.

    ETA: I did not read that particular thread.
     
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  3. Old School

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    Hi Steve, thanks for the reply. I agree there is the issue of decency and as I noted, some of the comments were pretty bad. But what if there was a muched loved icon - say the actor who played Big Bird or Mr. Rogers or someone like that. Then say that we later found out that they committed horrific crimes for much of their life. Really bad stuff like child abuse. Upon their death, would we then be bound by decency to only remember a loved TV persona?

    There is a fine line somewhere, I know. Maybe it's just me, but when a person jumps out into politics, I think it's fair game to include that in their remembrance.

    ETA - yes, I agree. No protesting at funerals, scope of discussion is about internet forum posting.
     
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    I believe that the "line," for me, is measure of that person's intent. Would you say that Mr. Griffith was willfully acting out a nefarious conspiracy to deprive Americans of their rights? Or would you say that he probably had the best intentions, but you don't agree with his actions? If it is the latter, then I would say a public commentary on those actions would be in bad taste.

    ETA: The funeral comment was a bad example. Consider it retracted.
     
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    Would you not say that Sarah Brady has good intentions? I think she does, but her view of the world and the effects of her intentions are completely incompatible with mine. I don't think I could say good things at her funeral.
     
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    I would agree with you. That is why I would revert to the old saying: "If you don't have anything nice to say..."
     
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    The vast majority of people in this world either think that their are doing good or don't think about the morality of their actions: I can't think of any world leader who intentionally set out to do evil to their nation.

    The Khmer Rouge thought themselves a bunch of swell guys intent on leading the Cambodian people to a socialist utopia.
     
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    The evil men do lives after them;
    the good is oft interred with their bones.

    I don't believe death excuses past behavior, but I'm not the final Judge.




    If someone's political misbehavior needs to be discussed, Political Issues would be the better forum for that.

    :deadhorse:
     
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    If actors, comedians, musicians and other public figures can't separate their politics from their livelihood, then why should I?
     
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    Just like the rest of the Hollywood elite, he was a flaming liberal trying to push his liberal ideology onto the rest of America from his soapbox. They all look down their noses at us, the unwashed, ignorant masses. But they don't have to give account to me for their lives lived.
     
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    I always figured Helen for a commie feminazi.
     
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    I figured Howard Sprague and Floyd the barber had a sicko, secret tryst behind the scenes. :supergrin:
     
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    And this one turned out the most liberal of them all!


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    We do ourselves a disservice when we fail to hold public figures accountable for the repercussions of their political views - particularly when we are running over 100% debt:GDP.

    That would include the recently deceased. Criticism and fact-based observation can be communicated respectfully, and in a matter-of-fact tone. So as a matter of fact, those who have supported the over-reaching, over-spending, over-regulating state, in direct opposition to our founding ideals, deserve to be criticized.
     
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    I was the only one in my office to notice or point out the liberal politics of Andy Griffith. While I liked his show and have fond memories of watching it with my family and reruns with my children, I did not like the politics of the actor. I pointed out this several "conservative" friends and co-workers...
     
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    Say that a reply on an internet forum was:

    "I loved his show, it was great part of growing up and I still like the reruns as it reminds me of a more simple time. His politics supported a lot of gun control."

    If that was posted on the DU, it's celebratory. If the exact same words are posted on GT then it's in bad taste. I can't put it into words, but it doesn't seem right.
     
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    I never got any anti-gun vibes from Andy Taylor, irregardless of Andy Griffith's politics.
     
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    How many of us are as pure in our deeds as we are in our words?