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Why no 12ga. pistols?

Discussion in 'GSSF' started by emt1581, Jan 7, 2010.

  1. emt1581

    emt1581 Curious Member

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    It seems like some shotgun pistols, so long as they've never had a shoulder stock on them, are AOW's. And I don't know of any centerfire 12ga. pistols that are sold without restriction. Why is this?

    No other caliber I know of carries any restrictions in terms of the type of gun it can be made for.

    I do think there's some difference between rifled and smooth bore. Not sure what it is though.

    I've just always wanted a double barrel 12ga. pistol and just realized, other than black powder, I've never seen one at a gun shop.

    -Emt1581
     
  2. JethroXP

    JethroXP Good with a gun

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    You mean like this?
    http://www.talonarms.com/talonarms/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=114&products_id=1589
     

  3. Andrewsky

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    They're not sporting if featuring a rifled barrel or would fall under the definition of an AOW if smoothbore.
     
  4. emt1581

    emt1581 Curious Member

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  5. emt1581

    emt1581 Curious Member

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    So if a gun is not "sporting" it's illegal in the US?

    And a .223 pistol IS sporting?

    Not arguing...just confused here.

    Thanks!:)

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  6. BEER

    BEER bad example

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    which is exactly how the authorities want us.
     
  7. Mongosafari

    Mongosafari El diablo verde

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    I've never seen one. Can't say as I would want to shoot it (well once).

    I think that would take the name "Snake Charmer" away from the 410.

    That would definately run the squirrels out of the neighborhood. You wouldn't need sights- dial in the zip code and press the trigger.
     
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    juswes Team Red

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    A long time ago i saw a 12 gauge single shot derringer at the gun show. Im trying to find a pic of it.
     
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    If it's a smoothbore pistol that fires shot it's an AOW. Rifling makes it just a regular pistol, like the Taurus Judge. My local class III dealer has a beautiful side by side 12 ga. pistol right now...
     
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    MSgt Dotson

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    There are restrictions on pistol bores bigger than .50.....
     
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    Smooth = AOW
    Rifled = DD
     
  12. emt1581

    emt1581 Curious Member

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    In every state?

    This contradicts what bithabus said.

    -Emt1581
     
  13. vafish

    vafish

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    It has to do with the Federal definitions of rife, shotgun, handgun, short barreled rifle, short barreled shotgun, destructive device, and Any Other Weapon.

    It's covered in Title 18 Section 921 of the US code.

    The sticky part for a 12 ga pistol is this one:

    Greater than half an inch bore and not defined as having a sporting purpose means it becomes a destructive device.
     
  14. JethroXP

    JethroXP Good with a gun

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    I would think so, as those are Federal designations, not state. The ATF is a Federal Agency, they don't change their rules state-to-state.
     
  15. Jim Watson

    Jim Watson

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    The biggest modern shot pistol I know of is the Ithaca Auto-Burglar Gun, a double 20 gauge. A live legal one is quite valuable, they did not make many and not many of those are properly registered. One turns up in Grandpa's dresser drawer every once in a while and either goes back in hiding or is surrendered to the police. Who proudly display it as another Gangster Gun "off the streets."

    I bet a 20 gauge pistol kicks. I bet a 12 kicks a LOT.
    The Pedersoli Howdah is available in 20 gauge and being a muzzleloader is legal and not terribly expensive. You could explore the limits of your fun factor without much trouble. Black powder will do about anything with a shotload that smokeless will, as witness the "dram equivalent" still used by shotshell companies.
     
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    emt1581 Curious Member

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    I wouldn't mind trying a black powder version if I had all the stuff to shoot black powder with. Plus such pistols are $500+. That's not a test I want to spend quite that much on.

    Thanks though!:)

    -Emt1581
     
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    [​IMG]

    this is a stoeger, i believe. look at the bead on the top too, nice work here.
     
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    NEOH212 Diesel Girl

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    Gee, I can hardly wait until I get to go to the range next to the guy with a Taurus Judge in 12 gauge.

    Honestly, if I need a shotgun, I will get the shoulder fired model.

    (It just makes a little more sense.)

    :upeyes: :upeyes: :upeyes:
     
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    this is more my flavor, sorry about grainy pic.
     
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    No 12ga pistols because x-rays and doctor visits are expensive . :supergrin: