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Why is the Glock 23 a popular duty gun but 30 is not?

Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by alfred10, Feb 6, 2012.

  1. alfred10

    alfred10

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    Can't figure out why many agencies carry a Glock 23 but almost none carry a 30 on duty?
     
  2. elde

    elde Lifetime Member

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    .40 is the trendy police round and has been for the past decade or so. .40 is less expensive. .40 caliber frames are thin enough to be used by both male and female officers. .40 caliber rounds are less expensive than .45's. Those are just a few of the reasons my local force made the decision to go with .40.
     

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    tuf8seconds TEXAS COWBOY

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    "FIRE POWER"....The G30 doesn't hold as many rounds as the G23...I understand that shot placement is critical....but in a shoot-out, I'm pretty near positive that more rounds is better...All agreed, say Hell Yeah!!!!!
     
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    hell yea but i do carry a 30 but iam not an leo
     
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    YEP, that's the reason
     
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    I sold my G30SF and bought a G23. The 45 was a pain for me to hide. Both are sweet guns though.
     
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    I had a 23 but I also wanted something smaller. I bought the 27.

    I had a hard time choosing between the 27 and 30, So I bought both.

    In my mind, I always wanted a 36, so I grabbed one, also.




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  11. Gray_Wolf

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    G30/29 is a subcompact CCW gun with a short grip. Where G23 is a compact.

    Also .40 has been a default police round for quite sometime now, .45ACP is more expensive to shoot, requires a larger grip (unless you go with a single stack which means 1/2 the capacity of a .40), not to mention higher recoil and again lower capacity.

    Makes perfect sense to me.
     
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    Yes, I don't really see the confusion here. The Glock 21/30 are too bulky and the grips are way too big for a number of people including men with smaller hands (like myself) and for women. .45 ACP is also more expensive ammo and does not hold as many rounds as a .40 S&W. The ballistics of the .40 S&W are also pretty good and have a proven track record by police across the country since departments made the switch from .38 special/9mm/etc to .40.
     
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    Ammo costs would be my guess. Budget concerns usually have a role in LE weapon and ammo procurement.
     
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    I ahd a 30, sold it & bought a G4 23, I like it better, 2X the ammo, feels & fits better
     
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    I was present when a pretty small local agency switched to G30's. They chose a popular .45 200gr +P load.

    Aside from the grips seeming as though they might be a bit large for the hands of a few of their folks, the +P loads also gave some of their folks pause. If I remember correctly, something like 5-6 of their folks experienced some repeated stoppages throughout the day on the range. I was just present to help have the range open, and act as a supplemental RSO since they had their own firearms staff. There didn't seem to be a lot of what you might call "enthusiasm" being exhibited that day. Not my concern, though.

    Some months later I ran across one of their folks and asked how they'd acclimated to their G30's. I was told they'd traded them for G23's and were using 180gr loads .... and everybody was pleased.

    I'd think that with the .45 grip size consideration having been addressed by Glock in the way of creating the .45GAP model line that uses the 9/.40 size grip frame, the G38 would probably be an alternative choice for agencies looking to issue a mid-size (or compact, in Glock's jargon) .45 caliber duty weapon ... as long as ammunition selection and supply didn't become a potential issue as a bid/procurement/supply problem.

    If not, maybe the G30SF/Gen4 G30, although the slight reduction in reach at the top of the grip frame might, or might not, serve to meet the needs of the average issued user with small-to-medium hands. Just depends.
     
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    If you think that ammo capacity and cost are a factor, what about agencies that are switching to the G37/38? Seems like a lot are according to what I've read here. 8 or 10 rounds and more expensive than 45 acp. I think frame size is the more likely reason. Just speculating.
     
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    I think a lot of it has to do with the grip. That stupid two finger grip with a stupid baseplate. I understand there is a 9rd magazine option, but what about the glock 36 with only 1 model of magazine? I think the glock 30 would be even more popular if it had a full length grip like a Glock 19 or even a XD45C

    I'm going to answer my own question here. The G30 is a variation of a Glock 29 wich uses a flush 10rd mag so they just extended the 30's mag. I still wonder what the hell happened in R&D with the G36 though.
     
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    mrsurfboard The Anti-Glock

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    Bingo! The G30 is not and was not designed as a duty weapon.
     
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    I believe that the 10 rd G30 mags have an extra finger groove that allows for a three finger ("full") grip. If you need more than that, you can use G21 mags with A&G gap fillers. :wavey:

    Nail
     
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    Most agencies don't issue G23's, they issue G22's and may allow 23's for plainclothes. Most agencies also issue the G21 and allow plainclothes personel to carry the G30. And by "most agencies i'm refering to departments that issue a .40 or .45 Glock.