Prodded by Fred's post, I thought I'd put up one my target results. I keep hearing about how the Lee Carbide Crimp die is so bad with lead, that I figured I post some of what I see. This is a light load 38 Spl with a 148gr WC (Lee cast DEWC water dropped, un sized, tumbled lubed with LLA from scrap alloy consisting mostly of stickon WW with some clipon WW). The gun is a T/C Contender in 10" from a rest with open sights at 25yds indoors. The group *might* have been tighter without the use of the Lee CCD; but I doubt too many people are going to complain about the accuracy. I'm not sure I could do much better.