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Why I slam Kel-Tec

Discussion in 'GSSF' started by PlayboyPenguin, Mar 30, 2010.

  1. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin

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    A lot of people ask me why I never recommend Kel-Tec pistols and why I actively discourage anyone from ever trusting their lives to one. Several people have noticed that I am pretty forgiving of most brands but seem to have it out for Kel-Tec. I will relate this story again as an example of why I feel the way I do about these cheap little guns. This is not my only bad experience with them, but it was one of the most educational ones.

    I went to the range early one morning to get some shooting in before I spent the day working in the back yard.

    When I got there I spent a couple minutes talking to one of the employees. I noticed that they had a Kel Tec P-3AT in the case. I asked about it since the owner of the range had told me before that the Kel-Tec guns were really not suitable as rentals since they break too easily. He said they got a really good deal on a few new ones so they ordered four of them since alot of people ask for them. He said they were good little "get off me guns" but that they have only had them for less than a week and one had already went to the big gunsmith in the sky. I asked about warranty repair and he said for what they paid for them it probably wasn't worth the hassle or expense but they were checking into it.

    I myself have actually considered buying a Kel-Tec (hard chromed slide with grey body) and there seems to always be alot of talk about them on the boards so I thought I would rent one and see how it felt. The fact that one had broken under rental use did not discourage me because I would rarely be shooting it. It would most likely be a "slipped in short pockets when I have no other option at the beach" type of gun. I would not worry about practicing with it too much since it would be, just as the guy had said earlier, a "get off me gun."

    I usually shoot my own guns at the range. I have rarely rented. Today I was going to be shooting all .45colt revolvers. I decided what the hell and rented the Kel-Tec. I figured it would be fun and I could see how I liked it.

    To try and keep an already long story from becoming a dreadfully long story I will keep the rest as short as possible.

    I decided to load six into the mag each time and shoot five round groups...leaving on in the chamber each time.

    After about 30 rounds with the first pistol the trigger stopped functioning. It would pull back with very little resistance and would not fire. I took it back into the front desk and after taking a look at it the guy replaced it with another one that was still new in the box.

    I took the second one figuring I at least wanted to finish the remain 20 rounds I had purchased. I loaded up the mag, chambered a round and started firing. I forgot my little system of leaving one in the chamber and fired all six. All six went off fine. Then I reloaded the mag and attempted to chamber a round. The slide did not move smoothly. It felt very wrong and nothing like it did the first time. I moved over into some better light and looked the gun over. The grip frame had cracked right down the left side. I assumed this was causing the problem.

    At this point I was afraid they were going to think I was either a jinx or I was purposely killing these poor little pistols. I took this one back inside and showed it to him. I was very happy when he said that is what happened to the first one. He asked if I wanted my money back or to rent something else instead. I decided what the hell and looked in the case for something else.

    Needless to say I do not think I will be buying a Kel-Tec. I am not passing judgement on the entire line. I know tons of people have flawless ones but they either just don't like me or I have very bad Kel-Tec mojo.
     
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  2. El_Ron1

    El_Ron1 AAAAAAAAGHHH!!!

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    Simpler to say they suck.
     

  3. Eyescream

    Eyescream hates you

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    He's pretty verbose for a penguin. I didn't even know they could talk.
     
  4. Travclem

    Travclem Badass Member Lifetime Member

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    Using rental guns to find what you like is like using a whorehouse to find a girlfriend.
     
  5. PlayboyPenguin

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    The replacement gun was brand new out of the box.
     
  6. Range Rat

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    I know a lot of folks like their little P3AT. Frankly, I would rather have one of the tiny Rugers (preferably the LCR over the LCP). I like your description of a gun for the beach. That would be a great application for these little guys (except for the salt water and sand of course). Anyway, I enjoyed your narrative and appreciate the observations.
     
  7. Travclem

    Travclem Badass Member Lifetime Member

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    Must be bad luck then
     
  8. PlayboyPenguin

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    Or a case of "you get what you pay for."
     
  9. walt cowan

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    thanks for the heads-up. you just saved me some cash.
     
  10. glock2740

    glock2740 Gun lover.

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    :rofl:
     
  11. Travclem

    Travclem Badass Member Lifetime Member

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    Well I guess I got a hell of a deal then as my P3at has almost 2k rounds through it and I have no doubt about carrying it everyday.
     
  12. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin

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    And I owned a 1971 Chevy Vega that I put over 50,000 miles on with no real issues. I would still not recommend to anyone that they should buy one and expect the same results. :cool:
     
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    While I really appreciate the humor here (I will try and reuse this analogy sometime), I actually completely disagree.

    To me, a rental gun is a great way to test durability and reliability, they are completely neglected with crappy ammo, inexperienced users, and minimal cleaning. The ones that still work 100% are great reliable and durable guns.
     
  14. Marc1956

    Marc1956 CLM #66

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    Had to re-read the thread title! Thought it said, "Why Islam Kel-Tec" :wow:

    Thought it was going to be an expose' or something! Never mind....:faint:
     
  15. Bilbo Bagins

    Bilbo Bagins Slacked jawed

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    I have on several occasion called Kel Tec "Temporary guns". I have been a fan of Kel tecs for almost 10 years now, an I like them because they are some of the lighest and smallest guns out there, but they are not built to last. Back in day you really had no good choices in pocket guns. You either paid $1,000 for a .32 Seecamp, carried a Kel Tec, or carried something bigger and heavier. Today there are just so many good pocket guns out. I stopped drinking the Kel Texc Kool Aid, and I decided that I would no longer settle for a cheaply and crudely made pocket gun, that can only be shot a little and carried a lot.
     
  16. PlayboyPenguin

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    Thank goodness you can get those same Seecamps for just over $400 these days. :)
     
  17. CharlestonG26

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    So...what exactly is it that you don't like about Kel-Tec firearms? Perhaps you could be more specific.
     
  18. Baba Louie

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    PBP is a Kel-Tec Killa :whistling:

    Have you tried one of those PLR-16s to see how quickly you can off one of those loud boys? :rofl:
     
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    I can vouch for the company in that they replaced mine when it broke. Of course, it shouldn't have broken like it did......
     
  20. DeltaNu1142

    DeltaNu1142 Glock talker

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    Erm, agreed; the only thing I hear about renting with respect to shopping is it is the way to nail down the gun that fits your hand and shoots well before dropping the coin on one you've never fired. A more accurate analogy might be, "Buying a gun without shooting one first is like buying an engagement ring for a girl you've never talked to." Or something.

    I've only heard bad things about the Kel-Tec. Nice little package & nice price, but they sound like they're almost disposable--good for no more than 50 rounds. Yikes.