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Why hasn't anybody made this gun.

Discussion in 'GSSF' started by frank4570, Feb 11, 2010.

  1. frank4570

    frank4570

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    My gun idea seems so simple, I just don't get it.

    Use a basic 1911 style to retain the great handling charicteristics, and the awesome trigger, and add a grip safety that locks the hammer and trigger the way the thumb safety does, then don't have a thumb safety.
    The act of grabbing the gun takes off the safety, just like on the Springfield XD.
    It seems like a no brainer.
     
  2. Gdirty5

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    VERY short single action trigger with no manual safety probably would cause ALOT of ND's
     

  3. vafish

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    If you want one, just buy a 1911 and remove the manual safety. Or just leave the safety off.

    And no I really don't recommend doing that.
     
  4. frank4570

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    Isn't that really a training issue?
     
  5. frank4570

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    I don't really like the thought of a handgun that could go off if bumped hard.
     
  6. bac1023

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    A trigger like a 1911's would make a gun like that unsafe, IMO.
     
  7. vafish

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    I don't understand your response.

    You want someone to design a 1911 that does not have a thumb safety and only relies on the grip safety, but you think removing the thumb safety on a 1911 or just leaving it off will make it prone to being fired when bumped.

    That's exactly the reason no one has designed the gun you asked for.
     
  8. frank4570

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    I'm saying make the grip safety do what the thumb safety now does. So that grabbing the grip is the same as throwing off the thumb safety.
     
  9. ChristopherBurg

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    That's not actually how the XD grip safety works. The grip safety on the XD is simply a little lever. When depressed it moves out of the path of the trigger mechanism and allows it to pass far enough to fire the gun. The thumb safety on the 1911 works differently.

    But in his original designs John Browning never had a thumb safety, it was added as a requirement by the Army. Browning thought it redundant since the gun already had a grip safety.

    Anyways I'm side tracking here. To add the functionality of the thumb safety to the grip safety quite a bit would have to be change internally. I don't think it could be done without some redesign of the gun's internals.
     
  10. Batesmotel

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    Learning to operate the safety is a simple training issue also. If you don't like it shoot a Glock or an XD. Your idea is inherently dangerous.
     
  11. Mikey.Dunn

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    I don't think thats mechanically practical or possible even.
     
  12. -gunut-

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    Would it be any different than this?

    [​IMG]

    Ahh, but this has a thumb safety. Was that an army requirement, also?
     
  13. vafish

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    OK, I had to read up on exactly which does what. The grip safety doesn't block the sear on the 1911, it only blocks the trigger. So you want a grip safety that blocks both the sear and trigger?


    Wouldn't it be better to go with something like the HK P7 where the gun is left uncocked until you squeeze the grip?
     
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    Then you stuck with P7-ish trigger pull. The whole idea of OP's suggestion is to retain the quality of 1911 trigger pull.
     
  16. AustinTx

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    Any improvement to the 1911 that is mechanically possible, economically possible and wanted has already been done since 1911. Possibly some uneconomical changes have been tried over the years, failure there should be obvious. It should be obvious that you can outfit a 1911 any way you want it, now.
     
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    No thumb safety, where is my thumb going to sit?

    I don't think it would be too difficult to make a grip safety that includes a firing pin block in the slide. The grip safety would block the trigger as it does now, as well as block the firing pin; I wouldn't trust it with a triggerpull under 4# as an ND would be much more likely when drawing from a holster.
     
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    Well... just buy an XD then. :dunno:
     
  19. BobbyT

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    I'd rather have a double stack, double action 1911.

    No grip safety, no external safety / switches / levers / dials.
    DA/SA so you could carry it like a Glock with the hammer down, but have a 1911 trigger in SA.

    I guess the closest thing would be a Para Ordnance.
     
  20. frank4570

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    My carry is an xd 45. It has had as much work done to the trigger as can be done. As striker fired guns go, the trigger is very very good. But it really is not nearly as good as 1911 style trigger assembly, and never will be. The parts just don't lend themselves to it.
    And I find a 1911 platform is more shootable, and more enjoyable to shoot. I just don't like the thumb safety.
    I've had the opportunity to sit in on lots of pistol combat classes. As things get close and fast, people start failing to get the safety off fast enough. That doesn't happen with the glocks, or my xd, obviously.
    It seems like it would be easy to combine the positives of these 2 different styles