Why does Trump constantly go back and forth on gun control?

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by Cambo, Aug 24, 2019.

  1. serve_and_protect

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    I do have the choice.

    I am not going to vote for a Democrat, whether they are openly a Democrat, or dressed in Republican clothing.

    If Trump implements the red flag law or other new gun control, I will consider him a Democrat masquerading as a Republican.

    Of course, as you said "one or the other will win", but it will be without my help.


    Hopefully it doesn't come to that. That's why I'm urging everyone to call and email Trump to let him know that gun owners oppose the red flag law, UBCs, AWB, etc.

    If he hears from enough of us, hopefully he will back away from new gun control, and we won't need to discuss abstaining.

    Every single call and email helps.
     
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    Trump's erratic 180 degree swings between various policy positions are also a bad political strategy, because it risks driving away swing voters.

    Trump didn't win in 2016 by flip flopping and oscillating wildly from one position to another on a daily basis. In 2016, he was largely consistent, so he got people to trust him, which is why he won.


    On GTPI, it's fine to explain away Trump's wild policy swings by saying "oh, Trump is just playing 10 dimensional chess to mess with the libs and make their heads explode", but in real life, a lot of ordinary people don't see it that way.


    Many swing voters are getting fatigued and irritated by the constant unpredictability and volatility of Trump's style of governing.

    They are tired of the constant policy U-turns where he randomly wakes up in the morning and says the opposite of what he said the day before.

    A lot of swing voters are tired of the ridiculous pie-in-the-sky distractions like buying Greenland, and the continual self-pitying whining and petty fights on Twitter.

    This sort of thing may not bother the majority of posters on GTPI, but in the real world, optics and style matter in electoral politics.

    To many people, Trump's unpredictability and erratic policy swings make him come across as mentally unstable.


    If Trump wants a second term, he'd better stick to the conservative values that got him elected in 2016, and knock off the "take the guns now, worry about due process later" nonsense.
     

  3. Cambo

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    Very well said.
     
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    You can complain and rant as much as you like.

    It still doesn't change the fact that if Trump signs the red flag law or UBCs or other gun control, a lot of gun owners throughout the entire country will stay home to punish him for betraying us.

    You may not approve of people choosing to not vote, but if Trump signs new gun control, it WILL happen.

    Will enough gun owners abstain to cost Trump his reelection? I don't know, but considering the razor thin margins by which he won the swing states, he can't afford to lose ANY of his 2016 voters.


    Fortunately, there is something you can do to prevent 2A hardliners from abstaining:


    You can call and email Trump, as well as Cornyn and Cruz and your member of Congress, and warn them that some gun owners won't vote Republican in 2020, if they support the red flag law or UBCs or other gun control.

    If Trump and the GOP realize that implementing gun control might cost them the next election, hopefully they will back off.

    Then, Trump can go into 2020 confidently, with his MAGA base united behind him.

    It's Trump's choice.

    You can call and email him to encourage him to make the correct choice.

    :waving:
     
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    If that was mean`t towards what i posted, thank you.
    Its not hard to understand what Trump is doing, and how and why he`s doing what he does.

    Supporters of Trump that walk away in 2020, never understood him.
    Those who change their vote to a non vote for Trump in 2020, i lose all respect for them.
    And as far as i`m concerned, they will have become the enemy in my eyes.
     
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    Almost every single one of these mass shootings was preventable. In Dayton, personally, I think a 17yo who posts a murder list and a rape list in high school shouldn't get that wiped clean at 18yo. I think his gun rights are forfeit until he can get his skull good and cracked by shrinks and take a few years to do it. Funny but everyone in these schools knew who was dangerous yet nobody did a thing.

    You shouldn't be able to have a birthday and get the slate wiped clean of everything. Yet the reason they do is because of the Democrats who think teens of color are more at risk of penalty, and yes they are. When I approached a herd of gangsters I knew the underage kid is probably the one holding the GAT and was usually right.

    Now? The Democrats are blubbering about removing the ability of the state to charge 14yo to 16 yo's as adult for murder and other violent felony's. Can you imagine that?
     
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    Your right! And thats why we need to eliminate democrats! We NEED to be Trump`s foot soldiers and convince EVERYBODY we know, to vote for him in 2020. If we don`t, say good-bye to every right you have left. We also NEED to change the minds of some of these GT`er`s even in here!
     
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    You guys are all worried about red flag laws. meanwhile on the immigration front.... Once they flip Texas and Florida blue using illegals, voter fraud, and targeted refugee resettlement eventually does away with the need for the first two it is game over anyway. Super socialist majority forever. Concon. Bye 2a forever.

    They almost have az and already got wa or and nv. It's a slow creep
     
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    First of all, DJT isn't a career politician.

    Secondly, he recently admitted, in a moment of candor, that he frequently "second guesses" his decisions. That would explain why he sometimes vacillates and changes his mind. And that is good and bad. It's a good thing for someone to examine their positions and decisions... but it's a bad thing to "think out loud" when you're the leader of the free world. Better to do the thinking and second guessing BEFORE making a public pronouncement. But, he's new at this POTUS thing, so I have hope that we will get better at it.
     
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    Lately he has been distracting his supporters with all kinds of feel good, stump speech talking points.

    He promised to:
    1. Build the wall
    2. Deport all illegals
    3. Put the military on the border, not the diaper changing, hand out water bottles brigade.
    4. Lock them up (so far, only Republicans have been locked up, how does that happen?, he's President)
     
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    He doesn't give a flying **** about the Second except how he can exploit it for his own use. All you have to do is look at his history.
     
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    Thank you for emailing President Trump!


    I hope everyone else reading this will also email and/or call the White House too, to tell President Trump to oppose any new gun control!


    Every single email or call makes a difference!

    Thank you! :cheers:

    :waving:
     
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    Immigration is on my radar too, and it is important to me.

    But protecting our 2A rights is the most urgent thing right now.

    We shouldn't have to be pressuring a Republican president to back away from new gun control laws, but alas, that is the situation we are in.

    After we are sure that Trump won't cave on 2A, then we can worry about immigration.
     
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    I just may be a very naïve old guy but I just think he is messing with the libs. I hope that is the case. Regards to all at GT and all bet best to you all.
     
  16. ReaPer105

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    My thoughts on it:
    I see a guy who is torn between wanting to find a way to fix a problem but another strongly held principle (the Constitution) is seemingly in conflict.
    It's not really in conflict, because the real fix is changing people, something even a problem-solver like Trump can't do. He may come to that realization. But it's much easier for us here, because we don't have hundreds of thousands demanding we fix it NOW.
     
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    some of youz guyz are really making it hard for me.
    do i sell some gunz just to get away from this site? or
    do i keep on keepin on.
    boat #6 is really calling my name.
    would make tarpon fishing a little easier out in some chop.
    but can it float in 8 inches of water? with guns and sum topless women on it?
     
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    What frightens me is what comes after 2020. Trump has a narcissistic personality. If your going OH NO!, OH NO! That's fine, but let's be real. He has made anti 2nd Amendment statements then backed off probably on the strong advice of his staff. He has to win in 2020, and alienating pro gun voter's is not the way to do it. If re-elected in 2020 all bet's are off and he can do whatever he want's without worrying about future elections. He won't care about the Republican Party any longer because it no longer concerns him personally. Maybe he get's up one day and decides he's going to ban all gun sales. Far fetched? Ask the bump stock owners. Actually you wouldn't have to. How many of us were rocked back on our heels when he cam out with that illegal order?
     
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    Dood, topless is so last century.
    I wouldn't buy it unless it came with some completely nekked, hot women.
    Negotiate for 2 or 3 and they have to be willing to do boat maintenance and have all the gear ready for the next day.
     
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    no, women are of plenty.
    when we fish, we want fish.
    even the women want fish.