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Why aren't there 22 wmr made in semi-auto?

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by Bernie Link, Feb 18, 2013.

  1. Bernie Link

    Bernie Link

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    Why aren't there 22 wmr made in semi-auto? I've heard that the Kel Tec PMR-30 has suspended production because of key-holing. AMT & Excel Arms Accelerator Pistol have one but are they still made? I'm just wondering why Glock, Taurus, Ruger, S&W, etc. are not making a 22 mag. auto?
     
  2. WoodenPlank

    WoodenPlank Who?

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    If I remember correctly, it is due to chamber pressure vs case size. The casing is pretty long for it's diameter, and it has relatively high chamber pressure during firing. The combination of the two makes it difficult to get extraction and ejection to work reliably on a blowback system, and I don't think there is enough gas or energy available for a gas or piston driven mechanism.
     

  3. VA27

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    Market share. There just aren't that many people who would buy one. Add to that the fact that he big companies are making their current guns as fast as they can and are still behind.

    The R&D required to bring a successful design to market is considerable (for all the reasons WoodenPlank mentioned) and the return isn't there to make it pay.

    AMT made one and if you get a good one it'll work. The same with KelTec and Excel. There's a new Excel at my LGS right now.
     
  4. Pawcatch@aol.co

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    .22 WRM really shines out of a long barrel.Add to that the cost of ammo,I think there just isn't much demand for a 22wrm pistol.
     
  5. VA27

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    While the 22 mag is great out of a rifle, it's no slouch out of a handgun. My 3.5" Smith Model 51 will match the velocities of a 22lr out of a rifle.
     
  6. Steel & Wood

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    The keyholeing issue has been solved.

    The PMR-30 is amazing!!!!
    [​IMG]


    Grendel also used to make one called the P-30. Didn't last long.


    TGG
     
  7. CMG

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    They simply don't sell very well.

    Ammo cost and pistol cost put them in a very small market compared to other chamberings.
     
  8. bac1023

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    The demand just isn't there for companies to spend R&D money on one.

    There are other reasons, as mentioned above, but I believe this is the main reason.
     
  9. Steel & Wood

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    now, yes, a limited market.

    before the panic though it was an affordable pistol with fairly affordable ammo. 30 rounds of 22 WMR is a formidable weapon in any hands!

    try finding a 9 millimeter pistol that holds 30 rounds and weighs 19 ounces fully loaded.

    not going to happen! :)


    TGG
     
  10. Victoriagotagun

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    That's because it was a POS. That's just another reason why I won't buy anything by Kel-tec. :whistling:
     
  11. CMG

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    I bought my PMR30 a couple years ago (Nov 2010) for $345 OTD, the first one the dealer had, but the BIG ISSUE is (before the current silliness) ammo costs for 9mm were the same or less (bulk stuff) than .22WMR.

    Not too many folks (regular folks, not gun-nuts like us) think a .22 should be that expensive to shoot.

    [​IMG]
     
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  12. Steel & Wood

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    Kel-Tec is not the company it started out to be.I believe they are now the number 3 gun maker in the country and their stuff is now top notch! Are there lemons? Of course! Even Glock ha lemons though.


    TGG
     
  13. Glock21Owner

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    About 30 years ago a friend had a Harrington and Richardson Model 700 that we used to shoot all the time. A semi auto .22 magnum, I loved shooting that rifle.
     
  14. GSSF17

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    I had one of those. Yes- fun rifle. I love the Marlin 922M (semi-auto 22 bag rifle) as well, and mine is a tack driver. As far as a pistol in 22 WMR, I have a friend with a PMR 30 , and that's good enough for me. I will not own one, personally. 22 mag out of a 6 inch or less barrel is nothing spectacular, IMO.
     
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    The AMT Automag is also available in .22wmr.

    As soon as I am able to get a PMR30 for a under $400 I will buy one. My local shops got small amounts of them in which were selling for slightly over $300 but I was not able to pick one up. I have other guns in .22wmr so not concerned about ammo.

    For the most part for auto loading pistols rimmed cartridges are avoided, for obvious reasons.
     
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  16. RGbiker

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    .22WMR round probably would be a feed ramp issue. The shorter in length .22lr is a bit delicate to feed reliably even in a Beretta Bobcat.

    Ruger recently announced a LCR in .22WMR.
     
  17. Haldor

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    To be honest firing a semi-auto .22 WRM pistol is just a bit too sporting for me. If you get a FTF jam then there is a very real possibility of it firing out of battery. Centerfire rounds do a much better job of protecting the primer from this.

    I am much happier firing .22 WRM from my Single Six or a rifle.
     
  18. Bernie Link

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    Do you have any failure issues with it? How do you like it? On gunbroker.com they are asking as much as $1600. At budsgunshop.com when they had them they were $312. So it sounds like due to short supply there are some that are price gouging.
     
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    Ridiculous
     
  20. yellolab

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    I paid $350 for my PMR30, and its runs great.

    As far as ammo prices, I paid $11.99 for 50ct of Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel from PSA.
    Honestly, it's one of my more "just plain fun" guns. Cheap, light, loud, awesome trigger.

    Kevin