Why America Has The World's Biggest Army....do you agree with this?

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  1. The Father

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    China army? Where will they send the army? They could have 50 million. They gonna march to Europe? Swim to the US? Gotta move them. Wouldn’t want to be in a Chinese transport ship. Until China fields 20 full size carriers, they are nothing.
     
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  2. Jade Falcon

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    The Battle of 73 Easting was not even a battle. It was a sheer domination.

    Remind me why we're so terrified of going in and taking over North Korea then. Last time I saw, the military in NK had vehicles from the 50s that were converted to driving on steam power through burning wood.
     

  3. Jonesee

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    Exactly.
    All new infrastructure and manufacturing plants.
     
  4. The Father

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    Well because in the first few days of a war, Seoul South Korea would be on fire. The US would eventually gain control but not till a few hundred thousand in South Korea die. Other than that everything will be just dandy.

    plus there ain’t nothin in North Korea worth dying for.

    Kinda like Afghanistan. After the Taliban was routed, the US decided to stay for another 18 years and gain zero, nada, nothing. What a waste of American lives.
     
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  5. Jade Falcon

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    Sorry, but I've always been doubtful of this claim. They have artillery? Yeah, they do....from the Cold War. We have aircraft that can't eve be seen by radar, and weaponry that wasn't even thought of in the 50s and 60s.

    Technology and advanced battle strategies matter. And if it didn't, the Gulf War would have been a LOT closer than it was. A LOT of people predicted that we would lose thousands in Desert Storm, and we didn't. More Americans died from HIV in 1991 than were killed in Desert Storm. I don't buy for one minute that hundreds of thousands would be dead in SK.....a few hundred perhaps, maybe a thousand or two. Not ideal, obviously, but not catastrophic. I think we could take out the majority of their artillery before it reached catastrophic levels of destruction.

    Obviously, nobody wants casualties on our side. But hundreds of thousands? With respect, I don't buy it, sorry.
     
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  6. Deltic

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    That is because a couple of our idiots (maybe Dean Rusk and another well known name I would have to look it up again)suggested that the 38 Th parallel would be a good line for the divide between Russian and U.S. control after WWII. If you look at a map and think about it you notice that the shortest border would be to the north way out of normal artillery range. Look north of Pyongyang and south of Hamhung, that's where the border should have been.
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    If we had been the side with crap night vision we would have fired some illumination rounds and still beat them like a rented mule.
     
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    The US / world paid a lot of money to rebuild Japan and West Germany and that in some ways made them very strong and some industries stronger than the US. Japan got to produce steel in plants 50-80 years more modern than American plants after ww2 for example. We funded our competition because week countries would fall to the soviets.

     
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    Civilians in SK would be catching artilery shells until we or SK destroyed the batteries. Seoul is in range of NK artillery and it is pretty hard to miss the city. There are 10 million people in the city packed very tightly together. A mediocre gun crew can fire a few shells a minute per gun. I think the death toll could be very high if NK just decided to let it fly and the allies had to react. The best we could hope for is the NK soldiers not wanting to die and refuse or fire once and run. Hopefully we don’t find out.

     
  10. ocjackel

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    Yes, it doesn’t matter how big your army is, if you can’t move it anywhere it basically only serves as a deterrent against a foreign army invading you.

    China would have a hard time occupying Taiwan, which is right off their coast. They would need to destroy Taiwan’s Air Force and air bases in a surprise attack, probably followed up immediately with an airborne invasion, and then hope they can hold out until seaborne reinforcements arrive.

    I would also not want to be on a Chinese troop transport in a hot war. Talk about easy targets for subs.
     
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    While I don’t think South Korean civilian casualties would be as bad has expected, they would most certainly be more that a couple of thousand.

    A lot would depend upon who started the war. If we started it, say because we knew they were about to, or were about to deploy nukes, we could mitigate a lot of the damage their artillery could do to civilian population centers with preemptive strikes. That might not be the best tactical decision but it would be politically necessary.

    The real threats to South Korea is the North Korean leadership, painted into a corner with certain, impending defeat, deciding “f-it” and launching nukes at South Korea, Japan, and the west coast of the US. Because of the short distance, a nuke launched at Seoul would have a good chance of getting through. If they launch 3 nukes simultaneously at Seoul, pretty much guarantees Seoul is destroyed.
     
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    We have a huge millitary because, like it or not, geopolitics and economics are inextricably linked to millitary might.

    Why is our fiat currency worth anything?... We don't make anything anymore. I'm not saying what's right or wrong, but the reason we have the comfy quality of life that we enjoy is because of the "millitary industrial complex".
     
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    My gods, I wish this stupid, idiotic idea that “we don’t make anything anymore” would just die. It’s about the most stupid thing someone could say.

    In the entire history of our country we have never manufactured more than we do right now. Our manufacturing output has never been higher.

    Our manufacturing output only ever goes one way, up!

    STOP PERPETUATING STUPID MYTHS
     
  14. Jade Falcon

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    The problem is that they are specialized industries now. It's not Detroit at the height of the Big 3, or giant factory buildings full of thousands of people making cast-iron cookware and appliances by hand. It's difficult for people to relate to that which they don't normally encounter on a daily basis.

    So yes, we do make things here, but they are isolated, specialized industries.
     
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    My sister-in-law grew up in Seoul. She says the expectation of death for the whole population of the city was something she grew up with, should there ever be another war with North Korea. Even old artillery is still deadly, especially with the numbers pointed at Seoul. Some reports say 15,000 pieces of artillery are aimed at Seoul, others say 70,000.
     
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    Thought this was a cool ad. Maybe not so accurate, but cool.

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    It started during WWII, we just out produced the Axis. We lost a tank, we built two more. We had our own steal, coal, petroleum, textile factories and just flat out overwhelmed the foes. Our factories were pumping out products full force. They could not match us in the end.

    Later, we sent some great minds to Europe and specifically Japan to rebuild their infrastructure. Our people stressed quality over quantity because they really did not have anything after the war. Japan built on this and went from pre war "junk" products to quality that is still being produced today.

    Now we largely rely on ****ty trade deals with other countries, for what ever reason, to get our steal and other things like rare earth metals. Our President is trying to reverse us relying on foreign products and hopefully get us back to producing great quality products and rely on ourselves.
     
  18. TheDreadnought

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    Well not to criticize your foreign policy, but it’s a good thing we didn’t.

    Crushing reparations for WWI is what led to the rise of Hitler, so wouldn’t want to do that again. And only 2 nukes was enough to utterly crush Japan. Now they are a powerful ally. We’re going to need them in the fight against China.

    If we’re going to carpet bomb anybody with nukes it should be Iran. The best way to fight a nuclear war is against an unarmed opponent before they get any... or at least any they can deliver.
     
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    But it's no coincidence that the 2 main countries we fought in WW II only became economic superpowers after we occupied them.
     
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