Who still carries a shotgun on patrol?

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  1. collim1

    collim1 5ft of fury. The champ is back!

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    I’m looking to put together a shotgun training. We have lots of young officers with no long guns. We have unissued shotguns and little interest in acquiring one. I think the general consensus these days is shotguns are useless. Which is total crap.

    Anyone got any ideas for a training class? Budget will be limited. Needs to be limited in hours and rounds required.

    Anyone got any lessson plans they have put together and are willing to share?

    Also interested in seeing any of y’alls current shotgun setups.

    We issue 870Ps with 18” rifle sight barrels. Tag star side saddles and a hunting style carry strap. No lights and no way to properly sling it by modern standards.
     
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    Give me an 870P. I can do good work with one. Rookies!!
     
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    Ohio Cop

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    Benelli M1. Every day.
     
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    We are issued 590A1's with sights and a bandolier. No sling, though, so I never take it. Plus, I hate it. It's too big and heavy. I much prefer the short barrel 500. A 500 short barrel 500 with a sling and I would be toting the shotgun a lot more. With that said, I don't like the shotgun, for rural patrol. We have a lot of driveways over a half mile long and a shotgun just won't reach out as far as the AR.
     
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    Sounds like my setup is similar to yours so pics wont really help ya much.

    My lead FI lives out in your area. If you want I can ask him if he would mind sharing some info
     
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    I have a TON of lesson plans that I did over the years. PM me and I can hook you up.
     
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    I have a post credit shotgun curriculum I can share if that would help.
     
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    This!
    All our cars are equipped with them and rifles too.
     
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    We ran 6 shot 870s with side saddles, Surefire lights and an almost useless sling. We stopped doing slugs and buckshot (nobody could remember how to transition at in service) and went with Winchester’s segmented slug. Most of them had tritium sights.
     
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    870 with 14” barrel, 5 rounds in tube (buck). Magpul SGA stock, Streamlight TL Racket forend and standard rifle sights. Vickers sling (non bungy one for the shotgun, bungy for the rifle)

    Side saddle carries 4 slug rounds and two extra bucks
     
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    Wow carried a 870 during my 42 year s on the job. I'm also had a colt ar 15 or colt m4 also. I still have them and shoot them. So they are still handy
     
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    collim1 5ft of fury. The champ is back!

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    PM sent. Thanks.
     
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    Far too often agencies skimp on shotgun training. By in large quality shotgun training is dead. Transition drills are a must. Emergency reloads are a must.

    Do you have access to a vehicle to shoot? You could probably get some buy in if you can demonstrate the power of a slug.

    Side note:
    If you can actually shoot a vehicle, take the opportunity to show your guys the cover the A and B pillars provide. I’ve seen a A pillar take multiple slugs up close, as well as a B pillar taking over 20 5.56 rounds before it penetrated.

    There are things a shotgun can do better than an AR, but not many.
    It’s hard to beat the raw up close power of a slug though.
     
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    collim1 5ft of fury. The champ is back!

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    We actually do have some cars that we can shoot from and shoot at for training.
     
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    My son carries a shotgun (Benelli) as well as a Colt AR (Trooper 6920 R).
     
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    We have 14" 870Ps with side saddles, single point slings, and Surefire lights on the pumps. They're nice, but the light makes them heavy and unwieldy for me.

    We are authorized personally owned shotguns, either the Remington 870 or the Benelli M4. One guy has an M4 with a Trijicon RMR on it. Holosun just released a sealed emitter micro red dot (the 509T) at SHOT show this week. If we authorize that optic for duty use, it will probably require me to buy my own short barrel 870 and slap that optic on it.

    Our shotguns are assigned to the cars. We have probably 25 of them. I wish we would just take a poll for who wants one, and assign them to individual officers. I think they're a useful tool.
     
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    I qualify with my personal shot gun and get issued ammo for carry.
     
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    My last department issued us 18" Mossberg 500 shotguns with the five-shot tube and bead sights. They were fine. But I carried my personally owned 20" Special Purpose 590 8+1 with ghost ring sights and a light and sidesaddle and correct two point sling. It was a pure slug gun.

    It is riki-tick, and even has authentic old school wood police corncob wood stocks for the cool factor. Love that shotgun. An upgraded 1955 police pump shotgun.

    When I joined the Sheriffs Department I was issued a Special Purpose 590 18" with bead sights. A good shotgun. But they have all been pulled back and are in the armory for some unexplained reason.
     
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    I carry a Vang'd 870. Its my go to on most calls when a shoulder weapon is necessary because we have to draw paper when the rifles come out.
     
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    Nice add to the existing thread! Our PD carried same issue Mossberg 500, then got Rem 870s. Same quals and all issued to Officers. I bought a personal owned M500 for house defense/ deer hunting. Never had any issues
     
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