Who Did the Beretta 92 Beat in the '80s?

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  1. nastytrigger

    nastytrigger Mediocre Member

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    Love it or hate it, the Beretta 92 won the military contract. Whatever happened to the others that competed?

    -Browning ADA - not sure?
    -Colt SSP (stainless steel) - I don't know much about this one
    -Smith & Wesson 459 - fairly popular with law enforcement. I know a couple of guys who carried them.
    -FN DA and FA - I have no clue?
    -FN High Power - Why didn't this win? This was the FBI HRT pistol before 1911s
    -SIG P226 - Almost won. Just like Al Gore.
    -Star M28 - besides being from Spain, I don't know much about Star
    -Steyr GB and F - Don't know much about these either...
    -Heckler & Koch P7 - squeeze cocker!!! These are pricey!
    -Heckler and Koch VP70 - I think I saw one of these at Gander! I like the stock/holster it had for full auto use!
    -Ruger P95 - Did this compete? I don't remember...
    -Walther P88 - looks like a S&W or Ruger P95
     
  2. GlockPride

    GlockPride Glock 23

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    Man, what a coincidence, I was thinking the same thing this morning. I was looking at the thread of multiples of the same gun and someone was mentioned all the Beretta M9 variants and it started the ball rolling.
     

  3. glock2740

    glock2740 Gun lover.

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    Read the story about how it all went down in the NRA magazine from a couple of months ago. The decision to go with the 92/everyother name it got after retooling to get back in the race, was ALL ABOUT politics.
     
  4. Jim Watson

    Jim Watson

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    -Browning ADA - not sure?

    Not familiar with the model.

    -Colt SSP (stainless steel) - I don't know much about this one

    Built for the trials, no effort made to commercialize it after it lost out.

    -Smith & Wesson 459 - fairly popular with law enforcement. I know a couple of guys who carried them.

    Carried on in commercial production, evolved into the 5904 and similar.

    -FN DA and FA - I have no clue?

    Made for a while in Europe, not imported here.

    -FN High Power - Why didn't this win? This was the FBI HRT pistol before 1911s

    Did not meet the specs, SAO.

    -SIG P226 - Almost won. Just like Al Gore.

    Lost out on "life cycle costs." Said to be preferred by using agencies.

    -Star M28 - besides being from Spain, I don't know much about Star

    Stayed in production, evolved into the M30.

    -Steyr GB and F - Don't know much about these either...

    Probably did not meet specs, too big.

    -Heckler & Koch P7 - squeeze cocker!!! These are pricey!

    Did not meet specs, single stack, insufficient magazine capacity.

    -Heckler and Koch VP70 - I think I saw one of these at Gander! I like the stock/holster it had for full auto use!

    Not sure it was entered.

    -Ruger P95 - Did this compete? I don't remember...

    Not in production when the trials started, I don't know if they entered later rounds.

    -Walther P88 - looks like a S&W or Ruger P95

    Nice gun, horribly expensive, not in production when trials started.
     
  5. Reb 56

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    All politics same as always when the Military has trials for a new weapon.
     
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    GreyEclipse TheGreyEclipse

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    the P7M13 variant was entered into the contest but was dropped early in the test due to reliability, either the mud or sand test, can't quite remember
     
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    I'm sure there were many angles to consider.

    I read one of the required features of the pistol was a second strike capability, which would take some good models out of consideration.
     
  9. american lockpicker

    american lockpicker License to Il

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    It was the Ruger P-85 not P-95. Also I aways wondered if Beretta won based on looks.​
     
  10. PlasticGuy

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    Whatever happened to the others that competed?

    -Browning ADA - not sure?
    I would guess it's the BDM that you're referring to, but I don't think it was entered into the competition. It lingered on the civilian market for a while and then was allowed to die.

    -Colt SSP (stainless steel) - I don't know much about this one
    This was essentially a 9mm version of their Double Eagle, and never entered production past the 50 or so prototypes.

    -Smith & Wesson 459 - fairly popular with law enforcement. I know a couple of guys who carried them.
    Decent success story, but was replaced with the third generation pistols.

    -FN DA and FA - I have no clue?
    FN had a few different DA and DAO prototypes out at the time, including a DA Hi-Power and early versions of what eventually evolved into the FortyNine. None had much success.

    -FN High Power - Why didn't this win? This was the FBI HRT pistol before 1911s
    Didn't meet specs, primarily due to SA operation.

    -SIG P226 - Almost won. Just like Al Gore.
    Performed well enough to equal the Beretta, but lost out in bidding (though some claim it was political, and it may have been).

    -Star M28 - besides being from Spain, I don't know much about Star
    It evolved into the M30, and did okay in certain isolated markets.

    -Steyr GB and F - Don't know much about these either...
    These had a limited following, but was overly complicated and not particularly well made, and therefore not very reliable.

    -Heckler & Koch P7 - squeeze cocker!!! These are pricey!
    Very well made, but sensitive to dirt and fouling so they lost out in reliability.

    -Heckler and Koch VP70 - I think I saw one of these at Gander! I like the stock/holster it had for full auto use!
    Cool, but not very refined and with a horrible trigger pull.

    -Ruger P95 - Did this compete? I don't remember...
    It didn't exist yet. I would have thought they'd enter their P85, but I can't find any record of them submitting it.

    -Walther P88 - looks like a S&W or Ruger P95
    Excellent pistol, but almost so well built that durability and reliability suffered under abuse. Did okay on the civilian market, but never really took off.
     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the Ruger P95 was even in production at this time.
     
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    american lockpicker License to Il

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    See my other post.
     
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    Well, looks like you beat me to it (about the Ruger).
     
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    My error, Ruger could not get even the P85 ready to go in time for the trials.
     
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    One thing is for sure, The Beretta is Superior to what it replaced.
     
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    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    Ruger b8tched and moaned because Beretta won in the first trial and Ruger didn't have an entry, so they made and entered their vaunted P85 only to have lost to the Beretta in the second trial.

    Smith&Wesson also b8tched and moaned about unfairness of the first trial, then redesigned their guns and still lost to Beretta in the second trial.

    The M1911A1 was the standard to be judged by in the first trial. Obviously it was found wanting.

    The Beretta, despite its huge grip, was and still is a damn good handgun.
     
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    If memory serves, the SIG 226 and Beretta tied originally. Beretta won the contract by underbidding SIG at the last second. The per unit cost ended up around 135 bucks. SIG wasnt even interested in competing for the second trials since their success in law enforcement and civilian sales was more than enough to keep them busy.
     
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    i've heard it was due to Aviano AB, Italy the base was in a strategic position and choosing the M9 would let us extend the lease on the base, Beretta offering to build a plant in the United States also sweetened that deal
     
  19. SeeJohnLikeSig&Glock

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    The article in American Rifleman was awesome. The 92fs beat everyone multiple times. I almost feel bad for SW and HK and later Ruger.

    Politics always enters into decisions, but from the article, it seemed pretty clear the beretta 92 beat everyone it faced. Even my favorite of them all the p226.
     
  20. wrenrj1

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    You are correct. I owned a P-85 and regret selling it.