Yeah, I know all of you perfect shooters don't need one, and I really don't either, but I want to try one. So, don't bother telling me how it doesn't work. I've heard too many people whom I respect tell me that they work (if you already are a decent shot). All I need to know is how to contact T.R. Graham to order the part. Anyone have a website, phone number or e-mail?
Where to buy T.R. Graham's Glock MGSL (Match Grade Slide Lock)?
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Here's the email he sent me:
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Sir,
Thank you for your interest in my MGSL. The MGSL fits all Glock models except the G36, is a drop-in part, and is designed to increase accuracy by 7 - 35%. The cost of the lock is $30.00 each. Shipping is $6.00 flat rate USPS Priorty Mail for orders up to 10 pieces. Sorry, but because of their anti-gun policies I do not accept any credit cards or paypal and I do NOT ship out of CONUS. Checks or money orders are accepted. Each lock has a lifetime warranty and a full money back guarantee. Installation of the MGSL is quick and easy, and instructions are included.
To order, please send to :
TR Graham
4560 Vista Rd.
Pasadena, TX. 77504
Regards,
TR Graham
The Glocksmith [/FONT]
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Sir,
Thank you for your interest in my MGSL. The MGSL fits all Glock models except the G36, is a drop-in part, and is designed to increase accuracy by 7 - 35%. The cost of the lock is $30.00 each. Shipping is $6.00 flat rate USPS Priorty Mail for orders up to 10 pieces. Sorry, but because of their anti-gun policies I do not accept any credit cards or paypal and I do NOT ship out of CONUS. Checks or money orders are accepted. Each lock has a lifetime warranty and a full money back guarantee. Installation of the MGSL is quick and easy, and instructions are included.
To order, please send to :
TR Graham
4560 Vista Rd.
Pasadena, TX. 77504
Regards,
TR Graham
The Glocksmith [/FONT]
How old was that e-mail? I just want to make sure I don't send it to someone else if he's moved. Do you have his e-mail address?
This is the email I got:
His email is: [email protected]
Sir,*
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Thank you for your interest in my MGSL. The MGSL fits all Glock generations and models except the G36, is a drop-in part, and is designed to increase overall accuracy by 7 - 35%, using any barrel, factory or aftermarket.* The MGSL is extended for ease of takedown,*does*NOT effect reliability, does*NOT effect the factory warranty, and is suitable for use*in either*duty or competition Glock pistols.*
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The cost*per lock is $30.00 each. Shipping is $7.00 flat rate for orders up to*5 pieces, sent by priority US Mail. Sorry, but because of their anti-gun policies I do not accept any credit cards or paypal and I do not ship out of CONUS.* Checks or money orders are accepted.
*
Installation of the MGSL is quick and easy, and instructions are included.* Each lock has a lifetime warranty and a full money back accuracy guarantee.**
*
To order, please send to :
TR Graham*
PO Box 126422* *
Benbrook, TX 76126*
*
Regards,
TR Graham
The Glocksmith*
His email is: [email protected]
Sir,*
*
Thank you for your interest in my MGSL. The MGSL fits all Glock generations and models except the G36, is a drop-in part, and is designed to increase overall accuracy by 7 - 35%, using any barrel, factory or aftermarket.* The MGSL is extended for ease of takedown,*does*NOT effect reliability, does*NOT effect the factory warranty, and is suitable for use*in either*duty or competition Glock pistols.*
*
The cost*per lock is $30.00 each. Shipping is $7.00 flat rate for orders up to*5 pieces, sent by priority US Mail. Sorry, but because of their anti-gun policies I do not accept any credit cards or paypal and I do not ship out of CONUS.* Checks or money orders are accepted.
*
Installation of the MGSL is quick and easy, and instructions are included.* Each lock has a lifetime warranty and a full money back accuracy guarantee.**
*
To order, please send to :
TR Graham*
PO Box 126422* *
Benbrook, TX 76126*
*
Regards,
TR Graham
The Glocksmith*
Ya I sure did man! Thanks for getting back to me, Ill be in touch. I just bought a lonewolf 10mm stock length barrel from bobadebt so I should probably wait for my next payday...:whistling:
They are supposed to improve accuracy by keeping lockup more consistent. It is not hard to understand that even the tiniest fraction of a degree change in lockup could change bullet impact when distances are over 15 yards. The Glock piece (and gun in general) is designed with looseness of fit and absolute reliability in mind. The little cut in the slide lock (where the front lug on the barrel engages) is oversized to make sure the gun always returns to battery. The T.R. Graham piece has a smaller cut, so the barrel lug fits precisely.
For example, imagine that you are trying to slide a 9mm round into a barrel with your hand. The Glock slide lock has plenty of space around it, so it would be similar to sliding that 9mm round into a .45ACP chamber. There's plenty of space, so the 9mm round just slides right in. Even if alignment is off, or if you were going really fast, since the hole is much bigger than the round, it is easy to hit the hole. However, you also see that the round would just flop around in the chamber, and allow all kinds of movement, or slop. Now, pretend you are trying to push that same 9mm round into a 9mm chamber. This time, the fit will be perfect. There will not be slop. Once the round is in the chamber, it is secure.
The T.R. Graham slide lock is similar. It holds the barrel more securely since it is a tighter fit. If you take your Glock, and press down on the barrel hood, you can make the barrel drop down a bit. This should not happen with the MGSL. It will hold the barrel in the same position time after time. So, it will not improve single shot accuracy that much, but it should provide a worthwhile improvement in grouping. Single shot accuracy is more a function of the sights and shooter. Grouping is more closely tied to the gun. The more consistent the lockup of the gun, the better the grouping should be. Of course, this assumes the shooter is good enough to take advantage of such lockup consistency.
My only worry is a possible reliability concern. I have never heard anyone say anything negative about the MGSL, but I wonder if it could cause an out of battery situation. Applying the same logic as in the example above, it could be possible for the barrel lug to not fully engage the lock. If that happened, the gun could be left very slightly out of battery, but possibly close enough to still fire. That could be very bad if you were firing hot rounds, and the case was not fully supported (due to the out of battery condition). Realize that this is all conjecture, and I have never heard of any such thing happening. I have heard that you need to break the thing in. I think it's for this very reason. You need to smooth it out enough so that it is totally reliable.
I will report back when I test mine.
I understand that. Just let me know when you're ready, and I'll make you a trigger bar.
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All my Glocks have Mr. Graham's MGSL installed and have been 100% reliable through many thousands of rounds. The break-in (about 200 rounds) is when you'll notice the increased accuracy and has nothing to do with ensuring reliability. From day one to now, the MGSL has NEVER caused me a malfunction. It's a great mod and well worth the money.
i love mine, that being said i'm not sure they improved accuracy much (G21SF/G30), but i do like how much easier they make the take-down process. The MGSL sticks out a little further on each end and is pretty rough. TR is a great guy and ive spent $37 on worse haha
Heres the link on the MGSL:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=851754
Heres the link on the MGSL:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=851754
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21Carrier,
Have a look here.
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=851754&page=15
Mr. Graham gets in there often. I talked to him on the phone at length about Glocks. He knows a lot about Glocks and physics of it, more than any guy I know.
Plus, he's a good and decent man. I can tell.
Have a look here.
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=851754&page=15
Mr. Graham gets in there often. I talked to him on the phone at length about Glocks. He knows a lot about Glocks and physics of it, more than any guy I know.
Plus, he's a good and decent man. I can tell.
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I read up on these, but are they really worth it for a self defence handgun? I can see maybe a competition pistol.
21Carrier
Thanks, I appreciate the reply.
I can't make myself accept that, just yet. The Glock barrel is forced up at the rear, by the locking block and that cams the muzzle down, against the bottom of the slide opening. It's locked in the slide and the sights are on the slide. Just grab the muzzle and try to move it, when the gun is locked up. You can push down, on the barrel hood and move it down slightly, but I cannot see how it will be pushed down, by pulling the trigger or the striker hitting the primer. All the forces here, acting on the barrel are parallel with the barrel, not at right angles.
IOW, it's not worth $30, to me. If everybody believes they work to improve accuracy, so be it.
Also, my Glocks haven't required any break-in period and I'm not going to put something in it that will require one. As is advertised.
Thanks, I appreciate the reply.
I can't make myself accept that, just yet. The Glock barrel is forced up at the rear, by the locking block and that cams the muzzle down, against the bottom of the slide opening. It's locked in the slide and the sights are on the slide. Just grab the muzzle and try to move it, when the gun is locked up. You can push down, on the barrel hood and move it down slightly, but I cannot see how it will be pushed down, by pulling the trigger or the striker hitting the primer. All the forces here, acting on the barrel are parallel with the barrel, not at right angles.
IOW, it's not worth $30, to me. If everybody believes they work to improve accuracy, so be it.
Also, my Glocks haven't required any break-in period and I'm not going to put something in it that will require one. As is advertised.
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