Where the hell is the president?

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by IvanVic, Jun 5, 2020.

  1. OXMYX

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    Huh?

    It's the blue states that have the problems. And why should a republican say anything if it's going to be twisted into whatever the left wants?
     
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  2. Sharkey

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    Neither, he will be at the Mt Rushmore Fireworks display. He was also giving daily briefings with COVID and the left was complaining about that.

    No one can make you, I mean them, happy.

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  3. KindOfBlue

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    I actually don't think everything Trump does is bad. I think his spotlight on jobs leaving the country for example was and is quite important. I think the emphasis on small businesses has been great. When he said in one of his first debates (and I'm paraphrasing), "politicians are easy - give 'em money and they'll do whatever the hell you want" - that was a dose of realism never seen to my recollection in politics. His emphasis on bias in reporting has also been important - the growth of cable and internet news has brought about "news entertainment" and the growth of "news opinion influencers" on all sides of the spectrum.

    As far as damage its hard to know where to start. If I had to boil it down it would be that he is trying to make the country into his image - one of divisiveness where if you aren't with him you are against him. For example he focuses on his base and not on the country as a whole (if they aren't his base, they are against him in his mind) and won't help them as willingly (for example during coronavirus, during California wildfires) . This mentality trickles down to many of his supporters, even on this forum. He is vindictive to a fault, saying John McCain wasn't a war hero (I'm paraphrasing again) because he said bad things about Trump. Take virtually anyone of his former "best people" that he hired onto his cabinet and see how they are torn down. There are long term effects to these actions (I bet the military is really struggling with his criticisms of John Mattis now and how he took funds from Veterans affairs and used them for his campaign). I could go on for a while but you can understand (though not necessarily agree with) my point.

    The other part of the damage I'm really worried about is with the constitution. We all complain about the slowness of government, but the system of checks and balances is critical to keeping power from being too concentrated. Checks and balances are slow - period. Under Trump's leadership the Executive branch has gained tremendous power to the point where Congress doesn't have nearly as much influence as I think the founders wanted. William Barr is furthering this cause at an alarming rate.

    You make a very good point about hiring someone because of their ability rather than their personality. That works only so long as their ability outweighs the negative effects of their personality. I would vote for someone I thought was a better fit even if I didn't like them. However, you can see from my previous points that I think Trump's negatives outweigh his positives.

    As far as his personality - no I am not a fan. I think he uses people like the NRA, the Republican Party and Evangelicals for their votes even though imho he doesn't fully support any of them. (with the NRA remember his "take the guns first" remark? with the Republican Party, he was a Democrat for years and wouldn't commit to having his supporters go to another Republican candidate if he lost the party nomination, with Christianity, does anyone really believe he follows the teachings of Jesus or even reads the Bible?)

    Blue states aren't all bad but I'm certainly not a fan of socialist policies. I've said before I wish their was a Republican (a true conservative) challenger, but their isn't.

    Wow, you got me to type a lot, bravo :) Good questions
     
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  4. as400guy1

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    Sorry but i disagree with you on many points.
    The devisiveness you speak of comes mostly from the left side of the aisle.
    He does have a tendency to shoot from the hip, but at least he isn't someone's puppet, like biden.
    You don't like him? Fine. Feel free to vote for the candidate the democrats want you to. Follow the herd, maybe you can help the left continue to destroy what's left.
     
  5. Jade Falcon

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    I don't think he's had a finest hour since 2020 kicked off, to be honest.
     
  6. as400guy1

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    Have any of us?
     
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  7. Jade Falcon

    Jade Falcon Rational

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    Fair enough.
     
  8. Bren

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    No, I am telling you exactly the opposite, as I posted. The compact is a compact on how to open up and the point of it is that they are agreeing to open up slower than the Republican Governors. In other words, their plan to "open up" is a plan to slow down opening. My Governor is a ring leader.
     
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  9. IvanVic

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    Re-read my first post.
     
  10. PhotoFeller

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    Sadly, President Trump can beat himself. While he's survived more brutal attacks than any President I can remember, the fight has taken its toll on his resilience. His thin skin has worn to an open sore. His plate is so full, there isn't time to give any issue a full measure of attention. The unrelenting opposition, including every form of media, is like a huge weight on his back. I fear his spirit may be weakening.

    I fear President Trump will make tactical mistakes this summer that will hurt his campaign. He will say too little at times and too much, often. His harshness will intensify. His appeal to moderates and independents will not rise to the necessary level because he will be too focused on attacking the Biden ticket rather than building support for his 2nd term vision.

    I feel sorry for our President. There are times he must think it would be a relief for himself and his family to leave the White House sooner rather than later. I hope he can win and survive a 2nd term.
     
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  11. IvanVic

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    I no longer believe the economy will save him. Suburban white women will probably vote for Biden in unprecedented numbers because of their ridiculous obsession with guilt. Black voters will turn out in Obama numbers or greater and will unfortunately buy into the poison being sold by the left.

    This election is not going to be easy to win. I now fear for the senate as well.

    Prior to covid and George Floyd, I would have bet the farm on Trump.
     
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    I'll let him know that you think he needs to say what he's been saying from the Oval Office because you don't know where the hell he is.
     
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    Neither have you.

    You obviously have not been paying attention, and missed his impeachment and SOTU.
     
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    His SOTU address was indeed very good. And in fact I've liked all of them so far.

    I hope in the next one he slays these rioters.
     
  15. kody1234

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    i think you are exactly right.
     
  16. Biggy1

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    Trump is absolutely doing a **great** job. Letting peaceful protests happen but stopping the arsonist’s, looter’s, and rioter’s causing violence. Some people just want to run there mouths like lunatics, those people are just to ignorant to reason with. It’s like talking with a bunch of jackasses.

    Vote Trump and Republican in November!!!!!!
     
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    IMO, Trump needs to have a rally, the sooner the better. The only problem is finding a location that won't be immediately surrounded by the Leftist crowds right now, where his supporters would be attacked just for showing up.
     
  18. Vic777

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    Where are the Mayors and Sheriffs and Governors .... this is all in their Bailiwick! Trump should not have to do anything about this. They are all children, useless tools!
     
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    I agree with you for the most part. The rioting, looting and killing are state, local and individual problems to solve. However, when mayhem spreads as it has since Floyd was killed, the President needs to be visible as the top law and order figure in the country and as a calming influence. He can be resolutely supportive of doing whatever is necessary to stop the rioting while being equally supportive of peaceful demonstrations.

    There is a line for Trump to walk that uses his towering chief executive position to assure the country that weak law enforcement management processes will be sorted out and law enforcement will be held to a higher standard going forward. He could also highlight the innocent lives lost during the riots and millions of dollars of damage to businesses.

    I think he should be visible. He wasn't elected to be a uniter, but he can and should rise to the occasion now. A tough but compassionate President would be well received by many on-the-fence voters.
     
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  20. IvanVic

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    Would you agree or disagree with the notion that addressing the public in times of crisis isn’t his strong suit?