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What's the odds of getting a good 1911?

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by Agent6-3/8, Oct 31, 2010.

  1. Agent6-3/8

    Agent6-3/8

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    As the title says, when it comes to production guns in the $1000 or less range whats the odds of getting a 1911 that is "correct" out of the box?. By correct, I mean one that you don't have to polish, buff, tweak, try different mags, etc.

    Although I'm a big 1911 fan, I only own two. One is a SA Mil-Spec that required a new slide stop out of the gate to get it to lock back on an empty mag. Otherwise, its been an extremely dependable gun with 6000 trouble free rounds through it. My other is a Kimber Pro TLE that has been less than stellar.
     
  2. wrx04

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    FWIW, I have a new STI Trojan with 600 rounds through it that has been perfect with 4 different types of mags (Wilson, ACT, Kimber, McCormick). Gun cost $999.00.
     

  3. Quack

    Quack Rent this space

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    didn't you have to send it back?

    FWIW, only 2 of my 1911's have had issues. the EMP just needed the extractor tension adjusted, which i did at the range. my STI Edge need the mags tuned (mainly the feed ramps adjusted), which i did myself as well.
     
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    :supergrin: Actually i did.....before i even shot it. The barrel bushing was WAY too tight. It probably wouldn't have been a problem shooting, but i couldn't get the damn thing apart to clean/lube it.

    Since i have shot it, it has been OK. I didnt even think about having to send it back......functionally it has been good.

    It was torture having to wait 2 weeks to shoot my brand new gun.
     
  5. domyalex

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    STI Spartan (9mm) and no issues up to now (~120 rnds).... [knock on wood]


    My G22 had more failures (rounds getting stuck at an angle trying to enter the chamber). Gosh I hated that gun...
     
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    Over 1,000 rounds, zero failures. No problems at all. I don't know if I got lucky or not but this has been an awesome gun. Especially for $500.00 out the door.
     
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    I've had very few problems with any of my 1911s under $1000.
     
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    Bac is a lucky dude. My experience has been the complete opposite.

    Every 1911 I've had that was under about $1800 was a clunker. Hell I've also had a Rock River and a Baer that were reliable but cosmetically defective.

    1911s are a gamble, you have to really like the platform to put up with it. When you get a properly tuned 1911, it'll run for a long time with good mags and ammo. IME, a mag/ammo sensitive 1911 has other issues.
     
  9. Brucev

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    What are the odds of gettng a good 1911? It can be done without spending a wheelbarrow of cash. I bought a SA Mil-Spec. in .45 ACP late last year used as new for $400 OTD with 68 rounds of mixed ammo thrown in by the gunshop owner. Had a single hiccup w/ one of the particularly nasty rounds. No other problems at all in over 1,000 rounds. POA is POI. Groups into less than 2 inches at 15 yds. from a two-handed hold. Good trigger... could be better, but right now it will do just fine. Fit and finish are excellent.
     
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    GJ1981 Pitying Fools

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    I don't know about odds of not having issues out-of-the-box with 1911's anymore. With production models you have to be concerned with someone rushing to meet numbers, so small things can be missed. You have to also worry about parts being fitted right and being of a decent quality.

    I'm not saying there will be problems but just that there are many factors to consider. The mags are a big thing, cheaper pistols = cheaper mags and ANY pistol needs a quality magazine to run right.

    I had a 3" Kimber that ran great, and I have a $2500 1911 that's been returned twice and still chokes on ball ammo.

    I really question about price tags having much meaning given my recent issues. I trusted the extra $ wasn't just for fluff and everything would be set-up/checked before it got to me.
     
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    The magazine is the most important component for any 1911 to run 100%. It's no wonder so many people have problems when they think an $8 mag, which a lot of the lower end 1911s come with, should work just fine for them. :dunno:
     
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    The only 1911 I have is a Dan Wesson CBOB. Haven't had one issue in the first 700 rounds. Just bought an STI Escort, see if I have the same results when that one shows up.
     
  13. Agent6-3/8

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    Very true. I use Wilson 47's or ETM's for the most part. My favorites as still some CMC Shooting Star bodies with Tripp Super 7 kits.
     
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    I'm hoping that my luck with 1911's continues with the Colt I just purchased. I've owned a very early prototype DW Pointman in 10mm, a Thompson Auto Ordnance in 10mm, and a S&W Commander length lightweight. No issues with any of them whatsoever.
     
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    I've only heard of 2 guys having issues with new STIs. Both were Trojans and STI quickly remedied the issues.
     
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    No one here can guarantee any gun you buy to run flawlessly out of the box. But there are companies and models with better reps than others. I think STI's Spartan and Trojan are the two best options for introductory range and mid range production. The Lawman is also about $100 more than the Trojan if you dont like the front strap checkering on the trojan
     
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    I have only one less than a $1,000 1911, a Remington R1. It is cosmetically perfect and has been a rock solid performer. The trigger initially had a lot of "creep", but after a bunch of shooting, has smoothed out.
     
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    I have bought 3 Colt's and 1 Springer for under $1000.

    A Colt XSE would lock open without the slide lock until I changed out the one piece full length guide rod with a GI set up. Go figure it runs better the way it was meant to be.

    The Springer broke an extractor early on but that was a quick fix. I didn't even have to "tune" the extractor to get it to work.

    I am sure if I had spent another $500 for a low end custom gun I probably would not have had these problems but they were easily fixed by me for far less than $500.

    One gun I did have a lot of work done to it and I regret it now. I probably could have done half the work and had a better gun. It is why I am not too thrilled with custom guns. That said one of these days I am going have a pistol made from the ground up the way I want it.
     
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    I've never had any trouble with NIB 1911s, the ones I've bought over the years worked great, although a couple did need a break-in period but worked great after a couple hundred rounds.


    Now the used ones are another story. Lots of problems but these always traced back to somebody tweaking, polishing, or swapping out the factory parts and generally boogering up what was probably a good gun.

    It's gotten to the point where I won't buy a used 1911 unless I'm getting one hell of a deal.
     
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    the title should be what 'are' the odds

    I've only bought three 1911s, all under $1000, a Springfield mil-spec Operator, a Taurus PT 1911 when they 1st came out and a S&W 1911 Sc. All worked just fine. The Sc had trouble 3000 rounds later but I fixed it myself. I build my own now so I'm my own QC and CS dept.