What's an easier skill to learn, say within 6 months...

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  1. TheDreadnought

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    Did you miss the part where I said BJJ was effective in one on one fights?

    Let me ask you one question:

    Which is more likely in a street fight? You and one other guy square up and fight it out?

    Or the guy you are fighting has friends.

    In which case, BJJ will get you totally stomped out by his friends while you are fighting the first guy. It also leaves you no opportunity to maneuver or run if one of his friends pulls a weapon.

    BJJ is good, but it’s only good in one scenario.

    That 1-1 with no interference scenario is NOT what a street fight looks like.

    Any fighting style that depends on going to the ground is not a good style for street fights, period.
     
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    What's your background?
    Did you participate in any grappling or striking arts while growing up?
    How many hours a week will you dedicate to learning this sport/art?
    What's your level of fitness?
     

  3. Kevinr20

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    You understand we're talking about MMA, not BJJ, right?. It's been 2 decades since pure BJJ guys dominated MMA. MMA also includes muay thai or other forms of kickboxing. Someone throwing knees and elbows is going to do a lot more damage than just throwing hands. Alistair overeem took on 5 bouncers at once in a club and put them all in the hospital. He's not a boxer...

    Not to mention MMA teaches you how to avoid being taken down. When you're a boxer, what happens when you run into a wrestler on the street who takes you down? Now your only tool (your hands) is rendered absolutely useless. See randy couture vs james toney.

    Btw, a lot of MMA guys started out in boxing and many still train boxing. There's a reason its called mixed...
     
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  4. BradD

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    Isn't that guy about eight feet tall, 300 lb, and 5 ft long arms? LOL
     
  5. drumgod

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    Wouldn't boxing technically be a subset of mixed martial arts? I'm not sure either will help much in 6 mos. I wrestled 7th grade through college. Back in the day I used to run into Pat Miletich at shows/parties. (I was dating a women from Benttendorf. Hmm. A quick search shows ribco still exists.) I never really got into MMA myself though. Vaguely related: The doc is now saying the reoccurring "shingles" outbreaks on my forehead are more likely Herpes Gladiatorum, aka "mat herpes". Makes sense.
     
  6. Detectorist

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    MMA is generally a mix of wrestling, Jiu Jitsu, muay thai and boxing.

    So I'd say boxing. But six months in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu would comparable learning wise, and more useful.

    Basic Jiu Jitsu has saved me from great bodily harm more times than I can recall.
     
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  8. Kevinr20

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    6'5" and 260 before he had to stop the steroids :D
     
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  9. Detectorist

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    Which one, do you think, has a greater possibility of training injuries?
     
  10. BradD

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    He gets my vote for the most imposing looking MMA fighter.
     
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  11. BradD

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    You asked someone else, but I'll weigh-in anyway. LOL.

    Ground-based jiu-jitsu is the lowest in my experience.

    Anything with lots of throwing has a high rate of injuries. I got hurt a LOT more often in judo than jiu-jitsu.

    I'm not wild about any activity that has a lot of repeated head shots. Beyond getting over the initial psychological shock of being punched in the face, I don't think people get better at taking a head shot. The acceleration of the head is only a function of the head and neck mass, so making your neck stronger doesn't do much to reduce the acceleration of the brain. There's too much to lose, IMO. Aside from the obvious brain trauma, you only get one cervical spine and when it's mess up, it's messed up for the duration. Similar with the nerves to your eyes, etc.
     
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  12. Larry302

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    our daughter dated a guy, 6’7” black belt in Krav Maga , made the Junior Olympics in boxing as a teenager , Purple Heart, Bronza Star . He fought in underground MMA, when it was still illegal here .

    It was nuts how many on the street would start crap,with him ,many left with broken bones .

    As far as his mma fights if he stayed on his feet he generally won, when he fought those with ground based skills,it was much more difficult for him .
     
  13. Tuner Sandwich

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    Fighting dirty is quicker.

     
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    Now that it is clarified. Boxing basics - learned faster.

    More rounded would be San Soo basics.
    1. You first taught how to move with one to two steps to avoid getting hit.
    2. Then you are taught how to strike on steps 2 or 3 - without being vulnerable to being hit

    This is for a teenager who doesn't stick with anything.

    Obviously, as you progress, you learn how it feels to take certain blows and how to deliver them. This would start being taught after months. To become proficient, later, you spend as much time taking restrained blows as delivering them.

    As Bruce Lee said, you only need to learn 5 moves.

    Remember two things:]
    1. In boxing you use your knuckles in real street fighting - and you never want to do that - you hurt yourself. Ditto for learning to punch some one on the head. Learn to take out the eyes instead.
    2. In any grappling sport, you lose any advantage of training if the guy is as good or better than you. I hate grappling. You are not going to know what is going to happen. In an approach like San Soo, you learn not to grapple for months.
     
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    You're wasting your time.

    Dread is in mom's basement while spending time in his usual fantasy world.
     
  16. Detectorist

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    Cool. I didn't know you were a martial arts practitioner.
     
  17. Borg Warner

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    "MMA is pretty much BJJ these days."

    I know what BJ is but I've never heard of BJJ.
     
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    Ok, we are using boxing and mma as a thin cover for learning streetfighting. Gotta put the brakes on right here. Your job as a mentor is to teach an impressionable 19 year old how to avoid streetfighting.
     
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    I've trained both, but extensively in Jiu Jitsu.

    Boxing has much more potential for head injuries, concussions. It's not if but when. Also some hand and wrist injuries.

    Jiu Jitsu has a lot of tendon, Ligament and knee injuries with the potential for broken bones.

    Beginners need to leave their ego at the door and tap early and often when starting out. I was a pretty successful power lifter the first time I walked into a Jiu Jitsu gym, a lot stronger than anyone there, which helped. But I still got my ass handed to me the first six months by the upper ranks.
     
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    Well you mix avoidance in with - this is what you do when your can't avoid the fight. Nothing against MMA or Boxing bit street fighting involves more than that.

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