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Will you take $250 for it
Told you you weren't leaving.
I own two of them. So what?
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What the hell Glock?
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Let's work on that G17.4 deal first. This is GLOCK talk after all
BTW, CZ laughs at you drooling over a Sig
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I have trigivcon HR sights on it. I love the gun and Like I said my 21 is the best 45 acp out there but there really are better 9mm guns on the market.
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CZ is better than Glock as well. I am not saying Glocks are bad. They are not the best out there.
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Have you shot a Sig Legion? Best gun on the market by far.
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So you roll in the mudd,water, and sand for a living? I don't and most people don't. So why did the Sig get picked up by the military instead of a Glock? They made the changes to get selected but why didn't it work. Similar price point so what is the issue.
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The Sig P320 was cheaper and Sig is supplying ammunition. It's been out for 4 years and nobody knew what it was until the MHS trials. Why did the Navy SEALs replace the Sig 226/Mk25 with the Glock 19? Why does SOCOM use Glock? How did Glock win the FBI contract when the solicitation was clearly written for the Sig P320? All these polymer guns are the same. When I want to scratch the itch for a better gun I pick up my Dan Wesson 1911.
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The real world has water, sometimes it even falls from the sky. It has mud and sand too.
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Several things:
Whatever Glock Representative told you that the rear sights being horribly misaligned to the right is to compensate for THE SHOOTER hitting to the Left is a corporate shill and liar. Full stop.
Whomever would believe that swill is a Cerebral Abbreviate. Full stop.
Are Glocks the best pistols?
Define "best".
There are pistols with better features, for sure. There are more inherently accurate and more ergonomic pistols, too.
But when you need a (long-term)reliable pistol, a durable pistol that will require no thought from the operator for self-defense and has a very simple Preventative Maintenence schedule and simple to work on I do not believe there is a better pistol.
The PVD finish is better than whatever powder/Teflon coating they used prior to now.
Is it perfect? No. Nothing is.
Now some issues that gnaw at my arse with Glock:
Erratic extraction
Locking Block/Locking Lug interface combined with the G19's unique mainspring "hump" has a lot of pistols/shooters hitting left of point of aim. Choose a pistol with the sights CENTERED or *slightly * to the RIGHT.
It would be nice to be "more innovative" but the product WORKS and works well. Kinda like the Porsche 911 and properly manufactured & assembled 1911 designs.
I'll keep a Glock - though I'm liking my Cajun Gun Work CZ P-07 a lot better as of late.
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Whatever Glock Representative told you that the rear sights being horribly misaligned to the right is to compensate for THE SHOOTER hitting to the Left is a corporate shill and liar. Full stop.
Whomever would believe that swill is a Cerebral Abbreviate. Full stop.
Are Glocks the best pistols?
Define "best".
There are pistols with better features, for sure. There are more inherently accurate and more ergonomic pistols, too.
But when you need a (long-term)reliable pistol, a durable pistol that will require no thought from the operator for self-defense and has a very simple Preventative Maintenence schedule and simple to work on I do not believe there is a better pistol.
The PVD finish is better than whatever powder/Teflon coating they used prior to now.
Is it perfect? No. Nothing is.
Now some issues that gnaw at my arse with Glock:
Erratic extraction
Locking Block/Locking Lug interface combined with the G19's unique mainspring "hump" has a lot of pistols/shooters hitting left of point of aim. Choose a pistol with the sights CENTERED or *slightly * to the RIGHT.
It would be nice to be "more innovative" but the product WORKS and works well. Kinda like the Porsche 911 and properly manufactured & assembled 1911 designs.
I'll keep a Glock - though I'm liking my Cajun Gun Work CZ P-07 a lot better as of late.
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Preface: I’m not the original am poster but...
#1: The Glock representatives I spoke with (2 different reps on different days) said it is normal for the rear sight to be aligned “SLIGHTLY to the right” ... not “horribly misaligned to the right”. There’s a big difference in that phrasing. I do agree the OP’s rear sight are TOO far to the right as it is slightly hanging off it appears and something looks wrong or like it went wrong here. Sometimes things go wrong, or something leaves the factory NOT perfect... or maybe it happened to it in the store, from mishandling? I don’t know.
Either way - not a HUGE deal as it’s easy to give it a nudge back in the right direction.
My 19.4 and 26.4 rear sights are in the same exact position as one another ... very SLIGHTLY to the right.
I bought Glock recently for all the good reasons you stated above... reliable, durable, easy (operational and maintenance), etc.
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Without going back through the whole thread, have you shot this gun to determine the sights need to be where they are in the pic?Seriously? G19.4 brand new.
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The fact that 'Glocks' shoot left isn't a fact, at all. Shooters 'pull' Glocks to the left. What they leave out is some people pull to the right, or up and down. Also, other brands of guns get pulled all over the place. It isn't a 'Glock' thing, it's a 'shooter flinch' thing, and it happens with all sorts of handguns.
Sig won only because of the low bid, then the tests were stopped.
You sound like a child that joined GT to Troll and badmouth Glocks.
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I have found it's NOT... a matter of "misalignment".
The pistols will often shoot *point of aim* with the horribly misaligned sights.
And the sights are tight enough in the dovetail to resist sliding from mishandling.
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Why do you think More police depts. in the USA issue Glocks to their cops than any other handgun?
Certainly NOT because they aren't good guns. Personally know the Chief of one of those depts. who dropped the highly acclaimed SIGS and went to Glocks because of slide cracking problems they were having with SIGS right around the 5,000 round mark. Said they've had absolutely NO problems with the Glocks and glad they made the change.
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The "sights are intentionally way to the right" comments that are from Glock support still have the inescapable problem of poor quality control.
So, none of mine have "intentionally off-centered sights", so they either didn't properly screw mine up, or they did screw the others up.
For Glock's QC to be good with regard to sight alignment, we should be seeing 100% of one or the other. A mix indicates poor QC in this regard.
Imagine how bizarre the conversation would go if I called Glock customer support to complain about my sights being delivered to me dead centered... they would think I was :crazy:.
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