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Discussion in 'Covid-19 News/Info' started by Geko45, Sep 29, 2020.
There is a political forum for political posts...
Yes, and especially after what we have seen re this pandemic all pandemics for evermore will be political issues, just like this one.
But, I'll play
>But, you've seen the data from the experts and (regardless of their political affiliation) they all seem to agree that it is a society ender if you don't act now. You have no reason to doubt their conclusion.<
We heard the experts (virtually all) early in this pandemic say that it represented no threat to the USA, then we heard them (virtually all) say that the only salvation was lockdown (based not on scientific evidence, but on computer modeling from the dude in England, Ferguson maybe?) because millions may die in the USA, and now we see that Sweden that did not lockdown is doing far, far better than Spain which had some of the most severe lockdown in the world. We had no reason to doubt the experts, but they failed miserably at their responsibility.
What actually happens in this country will depend on when "the big one" hits. If we are still a democratic republic like we are now, I think we will see much less compliance than we saw this time as there will be much less trust. If we have gone Socialist, we'll probably see less than the China solution but overall much more "forced" compliance.
If Disease X happens, we ain't seen nothing yet on the civil liberty infringement front. I think we'd be looking at enforced quarantines on a scale we can't imagine. With lethal force enforcement.
BTW, just last night Trump was defending the initial lockdowns. And masks.
That's exactly what some people are saying. They have no solution otherwise then "let 'er rip and let God sort 'em out".
From the near complete lack of responses addressing the actual scenario, I must assume so. Everyone wants to Monday morning quarterback the COVID response. No one wants to lay out the plan they would implement in the face of Disease-X if they were in charge.
No, you just don't like the responses to your poorly laid out scenario. Nor have you laid out your own response, so I guess you have nothing to offer as a response to your own scenario.
Maybe people are not responding because your scenario is so poorly laid out, and was clearly laid out as a trap for you (who offered nothing) to criticize their responses.
You offer nothing, and then criticize others for not responding. Pot calling the kettle black. No wonder few are willing to respond.
Yadda yadda... I was hoping others would actually go first. Didn't want to make this thread about my response. Wanted to hear about what others would do, but I guess that's to much to ask. Mine is easy, the states have full authority to to implement lockdowns, mask orders, quarantines and such on their own authority in their respective states. Nothing in the COTUS prevents them from doing so. In fact, since the public health crises aren't addressed in the Constitution specifically then the 10th Amendment applies which relegates responsibility to the states. The federal role would be to simply provide as much support and guidance to the states as possible in implementing those measures. Also, stimulus measures in heading off economic disasters caused by the shutdowns and implementation of the War Powers Act to train an army of testers and contact tracers (jobs for the unemployed) and organize massive vaccine and treatment development efforts. Public awareness campaigns, the power of the pulpit, hosting summits for the governors so they can learn from each other and from the feds on what works and what doesn't. Lots of things can be done, by my solution centers around organizing and empowering the states and the people to help themselves.
But you'll likely just start tearing into that now without ever telling us what your better approach would be.
You made it about your lack of putting anything forth, when you criticized others for not responding.
I have to laugh that you think I would tear into it, as pretty much everything in there is in my several responses. Except the stimulus, public awareness campaigns, and holding Governors hands. The only thing I noticed that you didn't mention, and I wonder why as it is a primary power of the federal government, is closing the borders.
No. There is no number I would do this for- because history has shown, time after time, that NO form of government is truly trustworthy, neither will ANY government system we may enjoy now will last forever. I prefer to hold onto my own type of insurance or security method, no matter how small and insignificant I may be alone. This also helps to at least partly insure my children's future so they may at least have a fighting chance at liberty and democracy.
How many forgotten civilizations have made it WITHOUT that unique equalizer we have known as bearing arms?
I’ll play. I’ve been looking at outbreaks for decades. Let’s say that the leadership of Iran has had enough of the sanctions. Their control is crumbling and they have nothing to lose. They’ve had an extensive Bioweapon program for years.
They have a stockpile of the India One virus that a few former Soviet Biopreparat scientists brought to Iran following the collapse of the Soviet Union. They’ve been growing this virus in cell cultures for years. They decide to do something that will drastically increase the virulence. They insert the human gene that codes for Interleukin 4 production into the virus’ genome using the research laid out by Scientists on Mousepox that was done years earlier.
They infect volunteers looking for martyrdom and send them across our porous borders. They become ill and spread the disease as long as they can before succumbing. Emergency rooms soon start seeing patients with severe hemorrhaging. In fact, their skin turns black and sloughs off in sheets. The mortality rate is 100%. Doctors are baffled. They have never seen this before; State Health departments and the CDC are notified. Doctors from one hundred years earlier would have recognized this, especially the sickly sweet odor the victims give off. It’s Blackpox, AKA hemorrhagic Smallpox. Samples are sent to Atlanta for identification. Meanwhile, the unknown disease continues to spread rapidly. Antivirals are tried, but all fail with the exception of Ribavirin. However, it only works if given early in the infection.
At the CDC, the identification is made fairly quickly. The organism is actually visible in tissue samples viewed with an ordinary light microscope. It’s a very large virus. PCR testing reveals that it’s Variola major. It’s also been significantly altered. The verdict? Weaponized Smallpox. Someone has used a Bioweapon on us.
At this point, our only choice is to declare Martial Law. PPE production and distribution goes into high gear. Travel is greatly restricted. A call goes out around the world for the Vaccinia Virus to use for vaccinating the population. First responders and the military get first priority. Unfortunately, thanks to the insertion of the Interleukin 4 into the modified India One virus, protection will only last for a few weeks. How this scenario plays out in the coming weeks depends upon how many people are initially infected. Contact tracing will be vital. If everything is done quickly and correctly, the outbreak will eventually be contained. If not, one hundred million dead would be a realistic number. Locking everything down would have to be done. Military checkpoints would be needed everywhere. Hotspots would face strict quarantine. The infected would likely need to be segregated in field hospitals. Shoot on sight orders implemented for any of the exposed attempting to escape quarantine.
Sound like a nightmare? It’s actually a scenario that was brainstormed by our government some years earlier.
I think you should continue pushing your right to die.