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What if Hitler had waited 5 years to go to war

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  1. Dalton Wayne

    Dalton Wayne Epic mustache Millennium Member

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    I'm a big history nut, so today I've been watching youtube on some of the weapons Germany had in the works during WWII, they were so far ahead of their times, they had a stealth fighter that was discovered in a hanger at the end of the war, they were about a year away from an atomic bomb, they flew the first jet fighter.
    If Hitler had waited five years how do you think things would have turned out?
    Regards
    DW
     
  2. kestrou

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    I think...

    it would have taken the U.S. a few more years to win - and it would have been bloodier, but the overall outcome would have been the same. :)

    kestrou
     

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    If Germany had waited 5 years, would we have still been drawn into the conflict by Japan? Who knows.


    Given 5 more years of time we would have been able to develop an atom bomb strong enough to wipe Germany off the map. And that would have been that.
     
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    You need to consider Japan, China, and Russia in the geopolitical world as well.
     
  5. Dalton Wayne

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    But Germany would have also had it and the means to deliver it to the east coast of the U.S. he was developing the America bomber.
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    DW
     
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    The best Germany could have hoped for would have been to prolong the war. No matter what, Hitler, although charismatic and motivational, was a tactical idiot. That's why German officers tried to kill him. They were doomed.

    Re the original question, if they had delayed/prolonged the war, we would have nuked them into a stone age.
     
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    That's fine. It would have been bad, but Germany would be gone before much of the East would get hit. Besides, not a lot over there worth much :tongueout:
     
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    If the push east toward Russia had not been delayed 6 months by the disastrous airborne invasion of Crete things might have been very different.
     
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    If Germany had waited 5 more years, Pearl harbor would have still happened. We would have been involved in the Pacific more heavily.
     
  10. Historian

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    There is zero doubt that the bomb would have first been used on the Germans if hey had not surrendered first.

    From it's conception the idea of an atomic bomb was considered a race against German physicists. A large number had managed to leave Europe or were bribed into leaving the most notable was Albert Einstein.

    It's interesting to note it was the scientists that pitched the idea of the bomb to FDR were mostly Europeans who were fleeing Germany and associated countries.

    It should be noted that when we entered Italy, France and even German a special team of soldiers, scientists and civilians immediately followed front line troops to capture intelligence, physicists and scientific equipment from major universities related to the bomb project. They called this the Alsos missions.

    Uranium 238 ore was retrieved in smaller amounts from Italy by this team, much larger amounts were taken in France and Germany. This was shipped back to the US where we turned it into u235...the stuff that goes boom.

    In his book Now it can be told by Gen. Leslie Groves (the military man behind the Manhattan Project) he writes that the decision not to bomb Germany with the first atomic bomb was based solely on the fact the bomb was not ready when the war ended.

    Considerable debate happened within small groups as to...weather we should blockade Japan or bomb them into the stone age. Apparently, Truman made the call...for the first time a civilian president was calling the shots on a specific weapon being used on a specific target...that was interesting.

    The rest is history.
     
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    Hitler rushing to war was the prime impetus for Leo Szilard to write the letter to President Roosevelt and ask Einstein to sign it. Therefore the big push to build the bomb as quickly as possible would not have materialized and likely would not have been ready by 1949-1950.

    To be sure, it was theorized that such a bomb could be built but when Szilard learned Germany had outlawed the exportation of uranium he knew they were working on an atom bomb.
     
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    One thing people seem to forget when mentioning the "super weapons" is that they were not under development until after the war had started and there was the realization things were not going quite as hoped, sure there was some investigation but nothing drives invention like war time. Look at the tanks Germany started the war compared with those developed during, after the shortcomings were found they are radically different. The amount of money spend on weapons research during a war is astoundingly higher than is possible during peace allowing for quicker breakthroughs.
     
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    Germany probably would have won the war imo they were so much further ahead in weapon design and they could have amassed a far larger military then we encountered
     
  16. Historian

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    Correct. And I might add a book published as late as 2005 indicates small scale work with explosives may have been carried out. Evidence includes residue that could have been the result of a "dirty bomb" ad some reports by an Itlian journalist.

    Chief among the problems the Germans faced was a loss of great minds leaving Germany, and a division between the SS and the scientists as to who was in command of research. It resulted in a two separate groups working on atomic weapons and energy with energy being the primary goal.

    It was clear in 1945 that while Germany had the basic knowledge it did not have the money or people involved that the US had. One book "Heisenberg's War" even goes so far as to suggest that Heisenberg may have deliberately not delivered the bomb.

    Quite frankly. I don't think any other nation could have done it at that time.
     
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    Hitler would have invaded Russia earlier that year if Mussolini did not invade Greece. Who knows what and how the war would have gone from there.

    Oh by the way. For everybody who thinks that US won war in Europe: Soviet Army killed four out of five German soldiers in WWII. 1 out of 5 by everybody else. At least that is what some historian on the History Channel said. I believe him, both of my grandfathers fought Germans since 1941. LONG before US even decided to invade Third Reich.

    As for Lend Lease: There are always two points of view: American historians say: “We sent them 300 tanks in 1941” while Russian historians say :”We only received twelve”. After the slaughter of convoys in Atlantic there was even bigger slaughter of convoys on the way to Russia.

    Huge pieces of history completely forgotten (or ignored) by American historians
     
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    Quite honestly I believe that had Germany waited until it had produced enough of their advanced weaponry... we would have lost. Lot a people don't want to hear that, but they had the technology we didn't and for the first couple of years we were playing catch up as our standing military was no real match for the Germans. Hell the Japanese cleaned our Marines clocks the first two years of the war.

    Now that isn't a slight against the Marines, but a statement of fact based on the Japanese had better equipment initially and they had a battle tactic we had never really seen before.

    Fact is the Germans made some really bad tactical errors. Had they left the Russians alone... Normandy would have turned out a whole lot different as well. The Germans had superior equipment, what lost them the war was moronic leadership and unsound tactical decisions.

    We would have lost.
     
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    We,the allies, still had greater resolve.Hitlers tactics fell apart,his own generals wanted him dead.
     
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    Don't see how since initially they were close to the first nuclear weapon, by the time we would have finished our own initial development and deployment... they would already have a stockpile, the means to deploy it (V1, V2 rockets...) and theirs would have had a higher yield capacity than ours.

    Also we only succeeded BECAUSE many of the scientists that were working on the German A-bomb defected to the US due to Hitler's murderous rampage against the Jews. Had he waited... many of the scientists that were part of the Manhattan project would never been here. That alone would have hindered us severely.