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Hi LE/Glock Talk Folks,

Relatively new member from Jhb, South Africa and I have a keen interest in all things ammo related.

So I was wondering, would you mind sharing what your/your PD's handgun duty load is? And perhaps your PD name? Just curious as to who uses what.

There is a fair bit of publicity around NYPD's Speer Gold Dot load or LAPD's use of the Ranger T series but not much info on other PD's.

A little bit of info on South Africa's Police Service (SAPS):
Our police force is a national one, so everyone is issued the same uniform, pistol, ammo etc. and unfortunately for our SAPS it's 115gr PMP FMJ in 9x19 aka 'State Ball' or 55gr M193 in 5.56x45 for the R5 series of rifles. No 00 buck issued anymore, shotguns are seen as riot control only nowadays. The standard issue pistol is either a Beretta 92FS, Vector Z88, Vector SP1 or Beretta PX4 Storm all in 9x19. Metro PD (primarily traffic enforcement) are issued either the above or nowadays Glock 17, 19 or 26's, mostly Gen 3-4 guns. Officially FN FAL Para's in x51 are not issued anymore, but I have seen a good few still in circulation. Ammo for that is standard 7.62x51 NATO M80 ball.

Our specialist SAPS and Metro Units have access to much more modern kit, MP5 A3's, MP5K's, UMP9's, Sig 553's, a variety of AR-15's from various manufacturers, HK USP's (mostly retired now), Glock 17, Glock 19, Ruger SR9's, FN FAL variants (rare though and mainly used by air wing/helicopter crew members), FN MAG (M249B, Task Force only) and M2 .50's (Task Force only). But some of them, such as the SAPS Special Task Force have access to locally made and loaded THV's in 9x19 and 5.56x45. I think we're the only country in the world still using THV's for special police teams.

Anyway, enough about where I'm from; more about you folk...
 

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165g Gold Dot in .40

135g+P Critical Duty in 9mm

Federal Flite Control reduced recoil 9 pellet 00 buck

Federal Tactical Bonded 55g JSP .223
Thank you Collim! The 165gr .40 Speer Gold Dot (full power version @ 1150fps) is a bolt of lightning in a handgun. They never fail to put BG's on their asses, permanently. Interesting 9x19 option...

The 165gr Speer GD is my .40 carry load, all day every day.
 

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124+P gold dots for 9mm
180 Gold Dots for 40
230 or 230+P Gold Dots for 45
125 or 158 grain Gold Dots for 357
158+P LSWCHP for 38
55 or 75 Grain Gold Dots for .223
155 TAP for 308 patrol gas guns
168 Tap or 165 Federal TBBC for 308 bolt guns/semi-auto sniper rifles.
Federal 9 pellet 00 buck flite-control 12 gauge
Brenneke 2 3/4“ Black Magic 12 gauge slugs
 

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Our county and city LE are small and poorly funded...so mostly speer GD is all they can afford...last year, I traded the sheriff some 9mm speer Lawman for some 38spl he had so he could have a little more practice ammo...sad when first responders have to go begging for range ammo
That sounds sadly familiar. Last year during the riots, SAPS ran out of shotgun ammo. As in had to go to the local gunshop and beg them for extra ammo.

Thanks for sharing Lt.
 

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Hi LE/Glock Talk Folks,

A little bit of info on South Africa's Police Service (SAPS):
Our police force is a national one, so everyone is issued the same uniform, pistol, ammo etc. The standard issue pistol is either a Beretta 92FS, Vector Z88, Vector SP1 or Beretta PX4 Storm all in 9x19. Metro PD (primarily traffic enforcement) are issued either the above or nowadays Glock 17, 19 or 26's, mostly Gen 3-4 guns.
I don't know whether to believe that everyone is issued the same pistol, or whether seven different pistols are issued.
 

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Whatever we can get our hands on at this point…

124 +P HST in the past, 124 +P gold dot last few years.

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Geez! That's bad. I would've hoped the likes of WW and ATK would give LE Agencies preference on critical ammo? Seems not.
 

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45 ACP 230 gr. Speer Gold Dot
Federal 55 gr. 223 TRU
Federal Flite Control 00 buckshot
Federal rifled slugs
 
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New Zealand Police:
9mm 147gr Hydra-Shok for the last 25-26 years since adopting the Glock 17.

5.56mm 62gr Federal Fusion for the M4s, mainly Bushmaster, some older Colts and some new LMTs starting to be delivered.

Full metal jacket and / or frangible for training in both calibres.
 

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We are issued 165gr Federal HST in .40. Glock 22

110 grain Remington high terminal performance Semi Jacketed Hollow Point in 38 special. Smith and Wesson bodyguards

Federal 62 grain Soft Point for the 223/5.56
Colt MK18 and 727s.

Winchester Low Recoil 00 buck for the Mossberg 590 12 gauges. We have a few hundred slugs but we aren’t training or really using them.
 

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Interesting 9x19 option....
Sometimes money is the deciding factor. Hornady was marketing the new Critical Duty load heavily at the time and practically gave us our first pallet of ammo when we transitioned to 9mm.

I’m not real picky about ammo so it doesn’t bother me.

I had a lot of confidence in that .40 Gold Dot load. I would have stayed with GD if the choice had been mine.
 

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New Zealand Police:
9mm 147gr Hydra-Shok for the last 25-26 years since adopting the Glock 17.

5.56mm 62gr Federal Fusion for the M4s, mainly Bushmaster, some older Colts and some new LMTs starting to be delivered.

Full metal jacket and / or frangible for training in both calibres.
Thanks mate, much appreciated! I had no idea NZ Police were issued Federal's Hydra-Shok! I'm assuming in the 50 round LE boxes?
 
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