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What defines a reliable gun for carry?

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by ithaca_deerslayer, Feb 4, 2010.

  1. ithaca_deerslayer

    ithaca_deerslayer

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    Not so much talking about caliber, but instead the reliability of the gun itself.

    For example, how many rounds do you have to fire through a semi-auto without malfunction before you accept it as reliable?

    Is the standard different between mouseguns, glocks, 1911s, etc?

    Just curious what your thoughts are. :)
     
  2. dr_hefley

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    Well, since this is a Glock board I'll go ahead and say it.

    Glock is the definition of a reliable carry gun.

    In all seriousness, put as many rounds of as many kinds of ammo through it as you can. I shoot 1911's but as soon as my CHL comes in I'll be carrying a Glock
     
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  3. ithaca_deerslayer

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    Interesting post. So are you saying the name brand of a gun defines it as reliable?
     
  4. JuneyBooney

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    If it goes bang when fired it is reliable.:wavey:
     
  5. deadmonkey90

    deadmonkey90 Pro Bass Angler

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    agreed, glock is perfection. In my opinion, a reliable gun is any gun you can pull out and empty your entire mag on to your target without 1 single problem.
     
  6. thegriz18

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    Yes and no. If you shoot a Glock, H&K, Sig, or other quality piece a few hundred times with out any problems I'd say you're good to go. I do my research to see what kinds of problems, if any other people have with the gun. I don't have a set number of rounds that I shoot, and how much $$ do you want to spend on it. IMO, if you buy a quality pistol and it eats 500 trouble free rounds, and 50 of your carry ammo you're all set.

    My definition of reliable for a carry gun is:

    GOES BANG ALL THE TIME, EVERY TIME, NO MATTER WHAT. For me, that means Glock.
     
  7. timbo813

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    I wondered how many posts we would go before somebody said that.

    I have read where some people say a gun should go 2000 rounds without any maintenance or cleaning to prove it is reliable. I don't have the time or money to do that so I would say at least 200 preferably more. Don't forget to shoot your carry amo.
     
  8. HerrGlock

    HerrGlock Scouts Out CLM

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    It can at least be a factor.

    If, for some reason like asteroid hit or something, I absolutely had to carry a gun without firing it I would pick a Sig Sauer or a Glock that was NOT a Glock 36. Those are the only two I've had every single gun I've shot from work every single time (that was not screwed up reloads of mine as I was learning)

    I'll run 100-200 rounds of ball or similar through a new gun and then a couple boxes of whatever I'm going to carry in it and if that goes without a hitch, I'll carry with that setup with those magazines. I think that's more what you're asking, though.
     
  9. PhoneCop

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    Defining reliable is subjective, no matter how high one set's the bar, it won't be high enough so someone else.

    But you know an unreliable gun. You don't have to quantify it; you feel it.
     
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    +1 This works for me...
     
  11. ithaca_deerslayer

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    Yes, that's what I'm asking.

    So you are saying:

    Minimum of
    100 rounds of target ammo
    and
    40 rounds of carry ammo
    without a malfunction
    then good to go.

    Correct?
     
  12. ithaca_deerslayer

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    Oh, I very much want to quantify it.

    Internet discussions are usually about name brand. For example, my first journey into the 1911 world is a Taurus. Discussions in forums have revealed very strong name brand loyalties and hatred.

    I'd prefer to objectify the criteria.
     
  13. viniglock

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    According to Vinikahr:

    Regardless of Caliber and Brand Name a Carry Handgun Must Meet Four Conditions:
    1) It must be utterly reliable (go bang every-time you pull the trigger).
    2) It should be compact enough to be carried concealed for long periods of time.
    3) It should have a very simple operating drill.
    4) It should fire a cartridge of sufficient power.

    :2gun:
     
  14. Steel Head

    Steel Head Tactical Cat

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    For me reliability is 250 rounds of varied FMJ's and carry JHP's without a hitch
    My G23 is now 1200 with out a hitch-that's pretty reliable in my book:wavey:
     
  15. ithaca_deerslayer

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    I'll make up my own opinion on the spot.

    200 rounds in a row without a malfunction, 50 of which must be the actual carry ammo.

    So if you buy a gun,
    3 boxes of cheap ammo
    1 box of premium ammo

    200 rounds later, if no hitch, carry.
     
  16. ithaca_deerslayer

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    If you have a gun that has multiple malfunctions, and you switch mags, extractors, ammo, or whatever, and seem to get it fixed, then

    200 rounds of the actual carry ammo.

    If no hitch, then carry.
     
  17. dr_hefley

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    OK, let me justify my thinking. This is gonna get long

    IMO, a carry gun should be:

    1)Affordable. If it's too expensive there's a good chance it'll either never get purchased or never carried because of the fear of messing it up.

    2)Reliable. I shoot 1911's better than any other, but when I used one for my CHL test (Colt) I had a FTF. Just one, but that's still one more than I have ever had with my Glocks.

    3)Sufficient in Cailber. Glock covers every caliber I'd consider adequate for self defense with the exception of .380. Opinions vary, but I'd like to see a single stack .380 pocket Glock. JMO

    4)Consistent. I'm not a fan of Glock triggers compared to my 1911's but one thing is certain. They are the same every time. My Ruger P95 is a great truck gun but the DA/SA trigger is not that way. I also like the consistent short take-up of the Glock trigger as opposed to the longer take-up of the Ruger.

    5)Simple. The takedown of the Glock is easy enough for anybody to accomplish. Other guns I've had are a little more complicated. Granted, I've never had an XD or an M&P. They may be similar. I never looked into them because I already had the Glock.

    6)Varied. Glocks come in different caliber/frame size configurations suitable for nearly any shooter.

    7)Accessorizable. Mostly the number of holsters, lights and aftermarket internals make a Glock "personally custom".

    8)Available. Nearly every gun store sells them and there's usually somebody working there who owns one and can help you if you have any questions.

    9)Accurate. I have other guns that I shoot better, but my Glock is certainly adequate.


    Other manufacturers may have some of the same qualities and I'm not running any other makers down. However, for my money Glock was the reasonable choice for my carry handgun.
     
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  18. Thx-1138

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    1. It goes bang when you pull the trigger.
    2. It does NOT go bang when you do not pull the trigger.
    3. Small enough to have with you.
    4. You can shoot it with accuracy and control.
    5. Shoots the biggest bullet possible while meeting the above criteria.
    6. re: external safeties, see #1
     
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    a gun that you'd bet your life on will not jam.
     
  20. Roering

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    A subjective term but I'll give it a shot.

    Will it shoot 500 rounds of wyz ammunition without a hiccup being a whole lot dirtier than you normally let it get?

    If so, it fits MY definition of reliable.