What could be some causes for the educational “achievement gap”?

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  1. professor kv

    professor kv Hey! Who turned out the lights?

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    To a sane person, yes.

    To the Democrat leadership, no.

    They have created a reliable voting sub-block. LBJ allegedly quipped that the Civil Rights Act and the so-called "Great Society" would keep black Americans voting "D" for two-hundred years (of course, he used the N-word).

    I think the Dems have grossly underestimated black Americans in general, and poor black Americans in particular.

    It's human nature to want better for yourself, for your children. Black Americans are starting to wake up, and it's a kind of "woke" that won't benefit the Dem leadership.
     
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  3. Ollies930

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    One of the biggest problems I see with the education system is the fact many public schools have to grade on a curve, so they can pass a certain percentage of students. Education should be graded in absolutes, pass/fail should not have anything to do with a bell curve. On top of which they have to pass a certain amount of minorities so as not to appear prejudicial. And let us not forget that athletes get preferential treatment and get pushed through school as long as they perform on the football field, basketball court, etc.
     
  4. Deltic

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    I think a bigger problem is leftist infiltration of education. The left can not point to one country where there policies have really worked but they lie all the time about how great their policies are.
     
  5. blackjack

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    In the late 1970s, US Army recruiters were having challenges meeting quotas. The field units receiving new personnel quickly realized that unqualified people were being fraudulently enlisted and somehow made it through basic training. I dealt with one who epitomized exactly what Dr. Peterson relates about the inability to train someone below a certain IQ score. The guy eventually told the story of the fraud perpetrated by his recruiter where he was provided answers for the induction testing. I really felt sorry for the guy since he was trying to improve his life but didn't have the basic intelligence to benefit from training.
     
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  6. Tuner Sandwich

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    You have to teach children to value education and seek out knowledge.

    My kids teach me things all the time. I ask them, "did you learn that in school?"

    "No, I looked it up."

    Or

    "No, I just came across it."
     
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    Poor breeding practices..
     
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    Education begins at home.Smoking and alcohol consumption affect the brains of unborn children.
     
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    When stupid, lazy people can have everything in life they want, why would they get an education and become contributing citizens of society?
     
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    There are many components involved that are causing this gap to widen. Schools are gaming the system in order to receive maximum funding from the government and the curriculum is skewed to be anti-American history with socialism overtones. Kids have more power then the teachers do and to discipline a kid the burden is on the teacher. From what I see, today’s teachers in the public school’s are not so much as teachers anymore but facilitators of information. That information is set by the government and expected to be delivered and not deviated from. A Russian immigrant once told me that in Russia, in order to change the views of their people. they never look at today’s generation but two generations ahead starting with the kids.
     
  12. Quijibo

    Quijibo King Doofus.

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    We have an entire culture that tells kids that being educated, getting a job, and taking care of your family is what [the other people who we are not] do. A culture that glamorizes the criminal lifestyle. Unfortunately, the media, in trying to legitimize this culture, has convinced other kids that this criminal lifestyle is "cool".
    All made much worse by a welfare system that rewards irresponsible behavior.
     
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  13. mike from st pe

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    It is too easy to vote in America.
    It is too easy to breed, PERIOD.
    Human nature not about bettering one's self or others. It is about getting stuff for free and at little effort.
     
  14. wprebeck

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    I've been trying to convince a few of my friends back in KY to start homeschooling. They're already doing it, but with a curriculum they hate. Why not just eliminate that nonsense and take control of your child's education? We did that over a decade ago. My eldest is 21 and is the only one of our four to see public school. She was pulled out in the middle of second grade and never returned. Our youngest is 13, never been in a school. Screw those places!
     
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  15. wprebeck

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    I make my kids do stuff like that. Rather than answer a question directly, I force them to use the largest repository of information available to humans in the history of the species. I usually get a sigh and and eye roll when I phrase it that way, lol.

    One of my other rules is that the kids aren't allowed to use a word without being able to spell it and give a definition. They do remarkably well.
     
  16. DaleGribble

    DaleGribble Liberals 'R Bad!!!!

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    These gentlemen are correct. My children are straight-A students, even the one who has had severe problems, and it's not because we were hard on them. It's because we spent time with them doing homework, making them read aloud to us, and encouraged them.

    My 9-year-old, along with every kid in the school, participates in the Accelerated Reader program in which kids accumulate points based on the number of books they read and then test on. Every 9 weeks they have a goal to meet on their reading and my child currently sits at 85 percent of her goal and will exceed it by about 20 percent before her first nine weeks is over. As I listen to her teacher go over participation scores, many students have met 0 percent of their AR goal, meaning they've done no reading and testing. Literally, none.

    These kids don't have parents that are pushing them or encouraging them and I find that incredibly sad. Setting a child up for a life of mediocrity is one of the cruelest acts of negligence a parent can commit and it's shameful.
     
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    I think this is a very wise move, we are considering this for our grandchildren who will be starting school in a few years. I am seeing more and more kids being home schooled and expect to see push back once the schools start losing their funding due to a drop in enrollment.
     
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    Agreed! If a parent today is not invested in their kids future, they will have no future for the most part. When I was growing up, my parents fully expected us kids to do well in school. There were no exceptions, no one to blame nothing. In fact my dad made me go with him to parents/teacher conferences so I could sit and hear what he is being told by my teacher. He also told ALL my teachers they have full permission to swat me if I got out of line or disrespected them. I thought it was harsh then but am thankful today..................
     
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    This is also my observation of the difference between a young man achieving his Eagle Award in Boy Scouts or not. The successful ones in our troop were certainly well-motivated personally but the secret sauce was with the parental push. Of course, this is a "back-in-the-day" observation in the 1990s.
     
  20. bdcochran

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    Norton: Your dad was correct. I attended Los Angeles schools for a while. At that time, the elementary school multiple classes had the same 3 level designations. The kids knew it. Despite the rhetoric about continuation schools, magnet schools, advanced placement classes, the same three levels exist.

    Here is one that was not helped in learning:

    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2eyq9qTOQY