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What cartridges (pistol) do you trust in FMJ?

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For me, the only pistol caliber cartridges I trust in FMJ would be .357mag and .45 Auto.
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were all three hits?
I like flat nose in FMJ, so I'd be picky with the .45, most .357 Magnum and .40 S&W are flat.
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On the very rare occasion that I’ve carried a .32 I’ve relied on FMJ as in that cartridge I care more about penetration than expansion because at that point it’s down to punching deep holes.

The few times I’ve done it was when I needed something that I could literally put in a blue jean or suit pocket relatively comfortably.

Doesn’t mean I “trust it” per se, but I prefer FMJ over HP in a .32
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I like American Eagle by Federal in .45 ACP.

I was told that three 9mm NATO FMJ rounds into the face works well, too.
He said trust in the context of being an adequate self-defense round.

I'm a little counter-culture on this one, because I think that virtually all calibers in FMJ would alter someone's behavior. When the Israeli Defense Force was employing .22 in the leg (Ruger 10/22) as a crowd control mechanism, they had a surprising number of "inadvertent" fatalities and stopped using that gun in that application.

For a number of years after 2001, possibly more than five years, the IDF stopped using the Ruger 10/22 after a number of protesters were killed with the rifle.


http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/10/21/israel-adopts-ruger-sr-22-in-less-lethal-sniper-role/

Granted, we are talking about a rifle. But its still a 22.

Smaller calibers are suboptimal for self-defense, as are larger calibers. But I hold to the view that any of them are capable of making a bad person behave.


Ruger SR-22.
These are great rifles to shoot. Obviously heavier than the stock 10-22 but still easy to handle. Take out the handguard spacer and the barrel is free floating. Glad to own one!
I'd worry about a pointy and fast 9mm NATO zipping through the goblin and 3-4 innocent bystanders.
You wait till the Bad guys line up like Quigley did


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I would feel fine with .45acp FMJ ammo.



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NONE!

Long story as to why, but I shot a small doe (110lbs) w/ 45ACP 230gr FMJ. Bullet went through the front shoulder, clipped the heart, through a lung, guts, and out the hind quarter. Pencil size wound channel, pretty abysmal.

That poor girl was fatally wounded, but it took an eternity before she stopped and fell down. She still wasn't gone, but it allowed me to get close enough for a head shot.

If you have to immediately stop a threat (or want a humane kill on game) FMJ is a very, very poor choice.
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Thousands and thousands of dead folks pass through the morgue with FMJ target ammo being the last thing to pass through their minds. I trust it to penetrate and hit a vital organ or spine more so than the Federal HST I have loaded in the G26 and LCP.
Roger that. And, as I have mentioned in other posts, all those military and civilians killed with 9mm, 7.65 mm, .45 ACP and other FMJ rounds probably wouldn't agree that expensive, designer bullet self-defense rounds are the only choice. This is getting close to the dead horse zone with those that think FMJs are perfectly fine kill rounds and those that maintain that super whamadyne, designer bullet-of-the-day, hot-loaded HPs are the ONLY choice.
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I would trust 124gr 9mm NATO and .45 acp 230gr FMJ

both are battle proven rds that have the track record[/QUOTe

Absolutely true and I agree.
230 gr 45ACP. I do carry HP's but back up mags carry the above. No question about it. Big bullet, big holes.
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There isn't a caliber I can imagine myself using where I would consider FMJ as anything other than a last resort (or an excellent practice choice).
That^

At least, for pistols.

What would a .44mag LSWC count as?

I'd worry about a pointy and fast 9mm NATO zipping through the goblin and 3-4 innocent bystanders.
That is probably a concern with most/nearly all FMJ pistol rounds.
1911 owner for over 40 years. Read everything I could get my hands on by Col. Jeff Cooper, Chuck Taylor and Ken Hackathorn throughout the 70's and 80's. Col Cooper favored the truncated cone if available. I have to go with 45 ACP.
Know your target and what's beyond it.

I take no issue with any FMJ for any caliber.

That said I like wad cutters for big bore revolvers and routinely have JHP for my 9mm's.
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Know your target and what's beyond it.

I take no issue with any FMJ for any caliber.

That said I like wad cutters for big bore revolvers and routinely have JHP for my 9mm's.
Know your target and what's behind it...sure...sounds great...but if you or a family member are about to be killed and you aren't 100% sure what's behind the sternum of the attacker you have your front sight on, are you going to hold off?
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That I can have decent SD expectations with FMJ amo, and not have to feel like I need premium HP ammo for defense.

Well, if it's only about "feelings", then facts need not interfere?? :p

FWIW, I look at ball/FMJ/non-expanding handgun bullets as essentially being the default "worst case" scenario for each caliber.

How much better than "worst case" would make you feel better? ;)

Now, if you're looking to find a "caliber" answer to somehow not making "worst case" the worst case? Dunno how to spin it.

I remember having this conversation with a good friend of mine once, when the subject of permitting ball loads for off-duty .380ACP users. he was the current range master for a medium-sized agency, and had also served as a detective for major crimes, special enforcement bureau, etc. His answer was basically that if someone could take advantage of potentially seeing expansion, meaning using some type of JHP, why wouldn't they want to take advantage of it? Yes, the arguable variability of penetration differences was also discussed, but the "advantage" ultimately went to a properly designed JHP, overall. That was one man's opinion. ;)

Personally, even though I'm no longer working under the ammunition requirements of my former agency, I'd typically prefer to save the ball ammo I've set aside in various calibers for the firing range, and use the JHP's for retirement CCW use. I own 9 pistols chambered in .45 ACP, too. Now, if any of those .45's hadn't been demonstrated to be reliable in their feeding of JHP ammo, and couldn't be made reliable with the use of some particular JHP load? I'd probably mostly be carrying the other .45's that would reliably feed JHP loads. ;) This isn't the 60's & 70's anymore. :)
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Know your target and what's behind it...sure...sounds great...but if you or a family member are about to be killed and you aren't 100% sure what's behind the sternum of the attacker you have your front sight on, are you going to hold off?

I don't count on perfect situations like hollow points expanding. It's far more comforting to know that the round will feed and penetrate.
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were all three hits?
Yes. I was interested because I had recently stopped carrying a Colt '70 MKIV .45, and had switched to a Glock 21, and then to a CZ P-01 in 9MM. Two were torso hit's, abdomen and chest. The last was throat. Probably at least two would have been fatal no matter what.
Shot placement with adequate penetration is the only requirement for a bullet to be effective in stopping a threat. The type of bullet used is of least importance. That said, you increase the shots potential for tissue destruction if it has sharp edges or expands which may facilitate a quicker bleed out. A solid hit with a FMJ is better than a marginal hit with a JHP. Hollow points don't always expand... more like half of the time in actual shootings... but, they have that sharp edge cutting tissue if nothing else ...and premium handgun hollow point ammunition is usually made with the better components ...and, if it was designed for law enforcement use, it usually has flash suppressed powder too. Accurate fire trumps all else. There is no "do it all perfect in every shooting situation" ammo... I searched long and hard for them... they don't exist. Heavier bullets hold a straighter path and break bone better. Accurate bullets are best. I'd as soon use a bullet with a flat nose as a hollow point...and for the same price you can usually have many more.

I prefer .22, .32 and .380 in FMJ for defensive purposes due to better penetration and feed reliability... standard 230 grain .45 FMJ does not usually over penetrate with solid torso hits... and if it does, it's lost so much momentum that unintended damage is less likely. 115 and 124 grain 9mm and whatever grain .357 FMJs usually have plenty of speed to carry on and up their risk of damage beyond the intended target. 147 grain 9mm and .38 specials are less likely to over penetrate due to heavier bullets and slower velocity also. All of these are considering the unobstructed lightly clothed torso of a bad guy as the intended target... when you add heavy clothing and/or any type of intermediate barriers, etc... well, a handgun bullet can only do so much. Pick your ammo for reliability and accuracy in your chosen weapons ...and know your limitations.
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I don't count on perfect situations like hollow points expanding. It's far more comforting to know that the round will feed and penetrate.
That does't answer the question

If you or a family member are about to be killed and you aren't 100% sure what's behind the sternum of the attacker you have your front sight on, are you going to hold off?
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