were all three hits?
These are great rifles to shoot. Obviously heavier than the stock 10-22 but still easy to handle. Take out the handguard spacer and the barrel is free floating. Glad to own one!He said trust in the context of being an adequate self-defense round.
I'm a little counter-culture on this one, because I think that virtually all calibers in FMJ would alter someone's behavior. When the Israeli Defense Force was employing .22 in the leg (Ruger 10/22) as a crowd control mechanism, they had a surprising number of "inadvertent" fatalities and stopped using that gun in that application.
For a number of years after 2001, possibly more than five years, the IDF stopped using the Ruger 10/22 after a number of protesters were killed with the rifle.
Granted, we are talking about a rifle. But its still a 22.
Smaller calibers are suboptimal for self-defense, as are larger calibers. But I hold to the view that any of them are capable of making a bad person behave.
You wait till the Bad guys line up like Quigley didI'd worry about a pointy and fast 9mm NATO zipping through the goblin and 3-4 innocent bystanders.
Roger that. And, as I have mentioned in other posts, all those military and civilians killed with 9mm, 7.65 mm, .45 ACP and other FMJ rounds probably wouldn't agree that expensive, designer bullet self-defense rounds are the only choice. This is getting close to the dead horse zone with those that think FMJs are perfectly fine kill rounds and those that maintain that super whamadyne, designer bullet-of-the-day, hot-loaded HPs are the ONLY choice.Thousands and thousands of dead folks pass through the morgue with FMJ target ammo being the last thing to pass through their minds. I trust it to penetrate and hit a vital organ or spine more so than the Federal HST I have loaded in the G26 and LCP.
I would trust 124gr 9mm NATO and .45 acp 230gr FMJ
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Absolutely true and I agree.
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That is probably a concern with most/nearly all FMJ pistol rounds.I'd worry about a pointy and fast 9mm NATO zipping through the goblin and 3-4 innocent bystanders.
Know your target and what's behind it...sure...sounds great...but if you or a family member are about to be killed and you aren't 100% sure what's behind the sternum of the attacker you have your front sight on, are you going to hold off?Know your target and what's beyond it.
I take no issue with any FMJ for any caliber.
That said I like wad cutters for big bore revolvers and routinely have JHP for my 9mm's.
That I can have decent SD expectations with FMJ amo, and not have to feel like I need premium HP ammo for defense.
Know your target and what's behind it...sure...sounds great...but if you or a family member are about to be killed and you aren't 100% sure what's behind the sternum of the attacker you have your front sight on, are you going to hold off?
Yes. I was interested because I had recently stopped carrying a Colt '70 MKIV .45, and had switched to a Glock 21, and then to a CZ P-01 in 9MM. Two were torso hit's, abdomen and chest. The last was throat. Probably at least two would have been fatal no matter what.were all three hits?
That does't answer the questionI don't count on perfect situations like hollow points expanding. It's far more comforting to know that the round will feed and penetrate.