What carbine do your wife/kids use? I'm leaning towards a 223 or 5.45 carbine because of the slightly lighter recoil compared to 7.62x39. Would a Saiga 223 with a MSA AR mag adapter be a good bang for the buck carbine? Reliable platform - I'm thinking the weakest points, will be the mags (AK mags are much beefier), the magwell (made from aluminum) and the ammo (7.62 & 5.45 are more "angled" and should fed more reliably) Readily available ammo to start stacking. Readily available mags to start collecting. Because I'm lazy, I don't really care for the gas impingement AR15s. They take longer to clean than an AK IMO. If money were no issue I'd probably get a piston AR15. I like 5.45 too but 5.45 doesn't go on sale as much as 223 around here and we can't mail order ammo here. I'm thinking we'll eventually end up with 7.62x39 carbines when the kids get older (ie leave home) I want to thank the people that produce the show "Revolution". I've been trying to get my wife to the range for 5 years. After watching 2 episodes of that show, she finally agreed to go to the range if I take her out to a nice dinner.