What bullet profile for a 9mm wheel gun?

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  1. Boxerglocker

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    So I’ve always been intrigued by small frame 9mm revolvers and recently pushed the “buy it” button. I’m having a very good local smith do a trigger job that will lighten the pull a little, however ignition reliability will not be an issue because I intend to use Federal SPP only.
    The question I have is what bullet would you use? I have FMJ’s, moly’s, plated and even HP’s available.
     
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    Depends on the gun, I would want a bullet I could crimp into if using moon clips. The great thing about rev, any nose profile works just fine.
     

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    Try some different ones. With a revolver you can get into some of the .38/.357 designs with crimp grooves.(cast)
     
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    SnS Casting 125gr LSWC loaded hot. Makes nice big round holes.
     
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    Fred are you saying that a little more crimp as opposed to just removing the flare?
     
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    Yeah you set the COAL so you can crimp into the crimp groove on the bullet.
     
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    OK, TIME OUT! Roll crimp?!

    Guys remember this is a 9mm Revolver.
     
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    I am loading Extreme .357 diameter 147 FMJs in my 686 with Starline 38 Medium Colt brass. Essentially 38 Super/9x23 rimmed length. TG, Federal primers and taper crimp.

    I have also loaded them in my Smith 940. Decent accuracy with TG and Federal primers and taper crimp.

    If I was using revolver bullets I might try roll crimping.

    When my 929 gets here thats when I will start playing with everything under the sun again.
     
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    Assuming you're going to use moon clips, you can roll crimp as tightly as the cannelure allows. The clips are holding the case heads above the cylinder.

    Additionally, the 9mm is a slightly tapered case, unlike the .40 and 45. so coal isn't nearly as critical.
     
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    Well, we should clarify... if it's using moon clips, it's headspacing on the rim (in the clip). If it's a Blackhawk convertible, for example, you need a taper crimp as it still headspaces on the case mouth.

    What is the revolver we are talking about?
     
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    Taurus 905 9mm... Reading more about it. Its designed to headspace on the case thus can be fired with or without moonclips. I guess my standard loads should work just fine.
     
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    The 9MM is a tapered case. It really doesn't head space on the case mouth. It can only slip into the chamber as far as the taper allows it.
     
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    Drop a loaded 9mm cartridge into a Glock barrel. Rattle it around some. Frankly, in bottom feeders, the brass is often too short and headspaces on the extractor... but that's a different story. I really don't think anyone makes a chamber that tight so that the cartridge is a wedgie fit.

    They machine a stop in the cylinder of 9mm revolvers (like the Blackhawk) for a reason.
     
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    I shoot the S&W 940 revolver w/full moon clips, taper crimp, and 115 gr. FMJ bullets. Will shoot any profile bullet. No need to roll crimp, as the pressure is not high enough to require such tension. Does not like to be shot without the clips, as it is not 100% reliable and the extractor is not designed to grab the rimless case.

    The new Charter Arms 9mm revolver is designed to be shot without the moon clips and has a bump on the extractor to aid w/extraction.

    I do like the j-frame revolver in 9mm as it has more oomph than the 38 special and less recoil than the 357 mag. Reloads are easy with the full moon clips.
     
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    All good stuff here.

    I have 5 BHs in 9mm/357 and love them, if I could only own
    one gun that would be it.

    Try both crimps and this is what I am trying now to save lead
    and for small game with the 357, so far so good in the 9mm.

    http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0000690306

    You may not need much crimp with faster powders.
     
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    Hoser,

    Has S&W even started shipping the 929 yet???







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    Not that I know of. I have two on order. I have not heard of anyone other than JM getting theirs.
     
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    There are at least 2 guys I know that got 929JM's locally for the new USPSA competition divisions. They were both bought from local vendors I was told.