I've also noticed I get a couple failure to fire per 50 rounds using Winchester. I thought the primers weren't seated fully and went and cleaned all the primer pockets and seated them well. I also noticed you can dent the Federal 150's as they are softer when seating them and that never happens with the Winchesters. The Winchesters are fine in the wheel guns so I use them there. I have put the FTF loads back in the glock and they usually fire the second time. Zero issues like that in thousands of rounds with Federal or Wolf. As for the primer shortage I got the same answers from the factories saying there is a lot of demand by the military. I also noticed a year ago a lot of people bragging about their hoarding. Sorry I think, IMO if you have 150thousand primers on hand, and you found 10k in some local store and bought up all of them that seems like hoarding to me, but when I said so last year I got blasted by these people. I think they like to sit there now and look in their huge ammo cabinet in their loading rooms and look at the shelves and shelves of primers they have. Just my 2 cents.On the side of the issue that isn't political, I've noticed that Wolf primers are available right now in respectable quantities. I've never shot them, and quality would be my concern with them. My G21 & G30 like Federal 150's. I used to shoot Winchester exclusively before purchasing my Glocks. Neither of my Glocks liked my beloved Winchester primers, however. I had too many failures to fire with them, so I switched to the Federal 150's and never experienced another problem. My local gun range has Federal 150 Match right now, so I purchased 2k at $38.00 plus tax per thousand. OUCH! :steamed:
Yeah that is retail sticker too! You bet, after that 91 shortage, I vowed to not be caught short again. I was shooting 2K rds/m in CAS & was buying primers in 10K lots at a time & always maintain 5K min each size. I don't shoot that much anymore, but still reorder 5K primers when I get down to 5K primers. I don't "need" primers right now, got my last order in June, but did order another 10K from Graf's. I know it will take at least 4m to get that filled.You still have $11 a K primers ?
I think dealer price is around $17 a K around here. :whistling:
This is zackly what happened after 1994. The big dif is the magnitude of newbs and the fear driving demand to fend off theThe problem is when I order, I will order around 100,000 primers for my buddies and I to split out. 3 of us will go in together and order 70 lbs worth at once. If enough folks like us are doing that we will continue the problem for a while longer.
i'm a fan of zombie threads!Well.... this is a fine 10 year old thread, but interesting to see people complaining about primers costing $17/1K.
It isnt hoarding, that is what the unpreoared spew. Ammo companies are pouring their primers into ammo. That is where the bulk of shortage stems from. Reloaders are like shooters in general; there are the hobby guys loading 1-2k a year & the serious guys loading 10-20k a year. The later might be 10% of those reloading so not hoarding, not even if I bought 100k. Thats just 5y shooting for some. It isnt hoarding if you plan on using what you buy, now or 10y from now.Everyone I know cannot get anything they want
Shortage is hoarding generated as it was Nov 2008 when I put in an order for supplies and received them June 2009.
Factories have reported buying new equipment and moving to 2-3 shifts/24 hr period