We have already lost. We just don't know it yet.

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by Nikola_777, Nov 6, 2019.

  1. Nikola_777

    Nikola_777

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    I was watching a documentary the other day on WWII and noticed how early in the war that the fate of Germany and Japan were sealed. In hindsight it was clear that Germany had lost after Stalingrad in February 43 and Japan after Midway in June 42.

    Which brings me to the point of this post. We have lost the ideological war in America. Currently we're fighting the equivalent of the battle of the bulge. The left owns just about everything they need to win the war. They own the courts, the media, the educational system, most of the major states, every significant city.

    I believe if we look at our predicament it is clear that barring a major event we are doomed to continue down this road to a leftist utopia.

    Trump is far from our savior, but he is the closest thing we have at this point and is our only chance that we have to win this ideological war.
     
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    I'm starting to believe you're right. And it's been really happening fast as of lately.
     

  3. InValhalla

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    I'm not all doom and gloom, but facts are facts...

    Every great empire in the past history of mankind has eventually fallen or been reduced to the point of being inconsequential. Unfortunately, this is bound to happen to the United States sooner or later. I just hope I, or my children are not around to see it or suffer the consequences.

    IV
     
  4. jeanderson

    jeanderson Making America great again! Platinum Member

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    To be clear, by "leftist utopia" you mean socialist s***hole, right?
    Trump wasn't supposed to happen. That is why the left is pulling out all the stops to remove him from office. This is partially because they are so pissed they lost, but mostly because he's slowing down their inexorable march toward a "better world", as they see it.

    I would say the slide into socialism (communism, Marxism) started with the progressive movement, about 100 years ago. The seeds were sewn by progressives like Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson as well as Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. That's when the Constitution started to become malleable. People started turning their focus away from government by the people to government for the greater good. In the end, everyone will be worse off.

    History tells us what happens next. As @InValhalla says, there's an inevitability about it all.
     
  5. Tomcat1977

    Tomcat1977 Unapologetic Deplorable.

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    If this was the case then Hillary would have won in 2020. Instead she lost the biggest gimmee in History. The Japs lost the war on 7 Dec 1941. The German's lost it when they invaded Russia.

    The only real comparison I can see, or any Lesson to be learned, is the ease at which it is to control the minds of populations with just a few propaganda centers of power. Even in Democracy's, especially in Democracy's because many people are under the delusion they are hearing the up and up from legitimate sources.

    For instance few Russian's were stupid enough to actually believe Pravda but many American's actually are stupid enough to give carte blanche to the NY Times or CNN.

    And dont forget the Democrat's have really imploded too. There is a silent America that actually votes people in or out.
     
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    Agreed. The Left will not rest until they have destroyed all resistance.
     
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    "...liberty dies with a thunderous applause."
     
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    6Actual Southern Backwater Mafia

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    Cant understand young folks mad rush for government chains. Once they get there and people figure out just what actually their "Utopia" is they will spend the next 200 years overthrowing it
     
  9. rainman33

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    Is your definition of America based on geography or ideology?
    The good news is that, given enough time, the ideologies of the left are self destructive.
    I have faith that America will continue, at least as a concept of ideologies about freedom, democracy, and a republic, and eventually thrive again. The scary part is how we’ll eventually get to this point. Will it be civil war, succession, or hopefully just a societal renaissance where rational thought based on sound rational ideas and empirical evidence rules again, all with compassion, personal responsibility, and freedom as core values.
    America is not over.
     
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    We still have our vote. Even that is in jeopardy from the leftist cheaters.
     
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    Permit me to be the contrarian here. The United States will be the dominant financial, and military power, on the planet for the foreseeable future.

    Russia is in serious decline. China is basically a third world nation with some serious financial woes of its own. Europe is rapidly becoming a basket case. Germany, which depends on exports to the tune of 40% of its GDP, will eventually fall into a deep recession when people stop buying their products.

    We are a net exporter of petroleum products, our military is second to none. We cannot be invaded due to geography.

    There’s more, but I’m peeking away on my iPad and it’s becoming tedious!
     
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    FullClip Native Mainiac CLM

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    Pretty depressing thread. I think at worst we are just in mid-stroke of the swing of the pendulum. It may seem overwhelming at times, but things can an do turn around.
    Let this little election deal of 2019 be a lesson for next November's battle. While there may not be anybody on the ballot that you think is the "prefect candidate", go out and vote for the person you think will screw you the least.
     
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    Germany and Japan were still winning battles after defeat was certain.

    If Trump increases his margin of victory in 2020 then we might have a chance. That said, don't forget Hillary still got what 2 million more votes than Trump. If not for the electoral college we would have president Hillary.

    We (the right) are still winning battles. Trump was a major victory. However, it was only one battle. Look how many of his policies have been stopped by some judge somewhere. Tell me how we win the greater war when the left own basically method for getting out the message and they own the majority of the judges...
     
  14. Paul53

    Paul53 MAKE HATE WRONG AGAIN!

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    I'm a little more hopeful, but I have a different assesment.

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    Yes, what ideology will be in charge of that power?
     
  16. cheygriz

    cheygriz God Bless Trump

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    Even amoug our own people here on GT, we have the dividers that try to blame the rich (the Producers) for the problems created by the poor.(the bloodsuckers)

    In a free society, the rich will get richer, because they are the producers. The poor CAN get richer by flushing their drugs down the toilet and getting off of their arses and getting a job.
     
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    "The man who doesn't know when he's beaten seldom is." M A G A :waving:
     
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    Boo Hoo we are sad... Pffft
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    Stay in fight or get the fork out of the way
     
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    Freedom is an anomaly. Humans don't want true freedom. The blip in history that was the American experiment is just catching up to that. We've discovered the absolute limit of human potential, and now it's back to the gutter care of third world demographics and Marxism, with a healthy dose of of apathy.
     
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    Wrong. Invading us would not be feasible due the amount of guns in the civilian population.:2gun: