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WBC to picket fire fighters funerals in AZ

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by og23, Jul 2, 2013.

  1. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

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    Yes, I agree.

    But not illegal.

    The problem I am seeing is that people are upset that the "bad guys" are using the laws to benefit them. The laws are only supposed to benefit the "good guys".

    (Good and bad can simply be a point of view)
     
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  2. Batesmotel

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    Their actions are nothing more then extortion. And they get away with it because they call themselves a church. The day will come when they push the wrong people too far. Emotions run high at funerals and rationality goes out the window.

    Some WBC people will die. I will not be saddened.
     

  3. devildog2067

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    I'm well aware.

    I repeat, what makes their church any more or less legitimate than any other church? They peddle hate, but so have many others over the years. What gives you the right to decide that "in reality" they're not a church? They claim to believe in the same God as everyone else. They have exactly as much evidence as everyone else.

    From a moral perspective I absolutely agree with you... but from a logic perspective there's no reason why they shouldn't be considered just as much of a church as everyone else who claims to be a church. The real, logical answer is to end tax-exempt status for churches, then this wouldn't matter.
     
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  4. greatwun

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    I am upset but I also understand that they are within their legal rights. They seem to target law abiding people since they know they won't retaliate. But like the poster above said, one day they will cross the wrong person's path and who knows what that person will do when they flip out.

    Btw, I had heard a while back something about the Anonymous organization threatening to release the names and addresses of WBC members if they picketed some of these events.


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  5. Sam Spade

    Sam Spade Staff Member Lifetime Member

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    Morality requires an appeal to a higher authority. Any person who says that he establishes his own morality is, at best, misled. You can't give birth to yourself.

    For many people in society, it's simple to make civil law the benchmark for their morality. This usually works, insofar as the society is one that started with a moral foundation. But it's thinking along the path of least resistance. Specifics come up now and then where people are forced to really examine things and they may change their minds as you say. Complicating the analysis are people who just don't have the foundation to go with the hard right. They change their minds simply because they're weak.
     
  6. Geeorge

    Geeorge Sarcasm Inc.

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    And when anyone associated with that scum church's home is on fire the firemen just stand with picket signs and watch it burn and not try to put it out:wavey:
     
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    Given the gay support present in the current administration and the anti-gay stance of this group, I am surprised the IRS has not audited them with a view to determining if the group legitimately should be tax exempt. Since it is basically an extended family, the group might have been treating personal expenditures as tax exempt or as donations to the church.

    They don't know a thing about hell until they have been put through a detailed IRS audit looking for evidence of tax fraud.

    Hey, NSA! Did you catch that?
     
  8. devildog2067

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    What does "you can't give birth to yourself" have anything to do with anything? Without appeal to a higher authority, we can establish basic moral principles such as "murder is wrong" through simple application of the Golden Rule. The details are more complicated, and this is true whether your morals come out of a book of fables or through analysis without asking a higher power.
     
  9. DanaT

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    I took it that even the book of fables is a "higher authority"

    Higher authority doesn't have to mean a deity.

    As an example in this case, I think what they do is disgusting BUT, I appeal to a higher authority that it not a deity but a principle of free speech. It is disgusting speech, but they have every bit as much of a right to be disgusting as gay people have to put on a gay pride parade.

    The difference is many people have relative morals and say "if in situation X then Y is OK but if in situation Z then Y is not OK". Now, I am not saying I dont have situation morals (for example killing someone in self defense is situational morals), but I do want to hope that I remain as consistent to my beliefs as possible.

    This means I believe they have the right to protest the firefighters. That doesnt mean I agree with their actions; I only believe they have the right to do it.
     
  10. Sam Spade

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    Dana gets it (my point).

    Morality is an external thing; you don't really invent your own. If you were to do so, it would be subject only to its creator's own whim, which devolves quickly into "what benefits me is good". Even in your examples, you give authority to a book of fables or similar.

    On another angle, "murder is wrong". Oh, yeah? Sez you. (Bang) Now what are you going to do? You're dead, I've got your wallet, your clan's appeal to the law is exactly an appeal to higher authority, and should they choose to deal with things themselves, they're no different than I was when I pulled the trigger.