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Warning Signs (LV Shooting Investigation)

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by JArthurD, Oct 11, 2017.

  1. JArthurD

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    http://www.rgj.com/story/news/crime...no-home-broken-into-fbi-revisiting/750725001/

    A big week for this investigation! First the timeline error, then the date of hotel check-in problem and now, shooter's home was burglarized/broken into?

    Is anyone else starting to feel like we should know a great deal more by now? I fully understand making a solid case. -Even like the idea because that usually means that at least someone (other than the dead shooter) may need to be brought to trial, but I have to wonder if the FBI or local prosecutors have any idea of the perception of distrust that this week has created. The lack of ANY information has fueled all sorts of speculation and this will not help.
     
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    Not a huge conspiracy theory kind of person, but there are some very interesting questions being raised. Very suspicious about the burglary at Paddock's home.....
     

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    Does he live on Watergate Way?
     
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    The burglary of a dead guy's residence who apparently lived a fairly lavish lifestyle? Seems like a crime of opportunity.
     
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    That is one possible explanation (in the absence of confirmation) and therein lies the problem.
     
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    The robbers certainly knew he wasn't at home at the time of the robbery
     
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    So for that to be true...

    1) Someone had to know the shooter was dead before police released a name

    or

    2) Totally incompetent police.

    It doesn't take a rocket scientist or brain surgeon (or even rent a cop) to figure out that police would execute a search warrant on the residence of what was being reported as the worst mass shooting in modern us history. It is clear that the warrant might take a little time to make sure that everything is 100% correct. It doesn't take a lot of intelligence (or time) to send officers to stand in the street (on public property) to protect a scene they want to search.

    or

    3) Whoever broke in had to have prior knowledge and/or be involved.


    It is looking more and more like a deep state / fast n furious type sitiation.
     
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    No, the name has been out there for over a week now. The break-in was last weekend.

    No. *sigh* It's not.
     
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    OJ WAS just released from prison here...
    They too probably would like a clean and precise resolution... which is not always the same as a fast and concise resolving of known issues under investigation when so many unknowns are worthy of investigation. Or so it would appear to me.

    It would be nice if they could simply say "It was Col Mustard, who used the candlestick in the Pantry, with no help from Miss Scarlett or even the Butler... both of whom we had under a microscope this past fortnight."

    The good Sheriff releases information as it becomes available and finds after further investigation that some things have shifted, issues a clarification and you say he was in error (timeline)... it is an ongoing investigation with hundreds of men and women out turning over rocks and even the rocks under the rocks.

    Just take the "Two Shooters" scenario... How many bullets were recovered that can be used for ballistics check? How many rifles did Twit have in his possession and used? Do all bullets recovered match all those and only those weapons?

    I don't have a clue, just one aspect of the crime to have a team or two looking into to seek answers and have same confirmed by probably a third or fourth team... I've obviously never been in a crime scene investigation so don't even know what questions would be posed.

    As to the "perception of distrust" and "fueled speculation"... probably not on the minds of those investigating, nor the non elected types. It might be on the minds of those elected to office, dunno. Certainly on the minds of a lot of people not involved who want the case closed before the next commercial break and bedtime.
     
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    Isn’t this why there is an investigation? To clear things up?
     
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    Exactly, I'd be more suspicious if they had the timeline perfect from the get go. That would be an indicator of a pre-planned conspiracy. A typical investigation is more like trying to peer through the fog of war in hindsight to piece things slowly together.
     
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    What about the apparent sell off of Mandalay Bay stock?

    There's some whoppers out there.
     
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    Also an opportunity to plant, alter, or remove any evidence that might have been overlooked. Agencies often search locations more that once as an investigation develops and new information is revealed. Imagine finding a new note that had been hidden that suddenly revealed a different manifesto.

    I agree that it could happen as a crime of opportunity, but it is still highly suspicious.
     
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    I agree and this is indeed an overwhelming case but I am smart enough to know that perception = reality. And positive perception is waning. I would not have directed by comments at local LE but the FBI is playing lead here. We all expect a lot. Maybe someone wanted a memento from the shooter's home and broke in but why was the place not being watched? Again, this is the FBI.
     
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    Haven't been able to find this from a reliable source so far. The stories I have found fail to mention what percentage of total assets were sold and how long it had been since a similar sale went through. Without that information it is impossible to tell if the "sell off" was out of the ordinary or completely routine.
     
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    Actually we do know a fair amount about him. It seems that for other than the girlfriend he did not have a lot of people close to him. And it seems that he spent at least a bit of time gambling by himself despite having a girlfriend who had worked in a casino. And I think it is reasonably statement at this time to suggest he did not really have a presence on social media.
    Especially given that his name has been one of the most popular names in new stories and there are probably a couple hundred million people who know he is dead and possibly more than a handful of those having a sense that he lived a relatively solitary life and his girlfriend was probably not going to be there.

    You find it odd that a residential burglary has not been cleared by arrest in four days?
     
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    No, I find it odd that the place was not being watched, especially since the FBI went back for a second visit, following the break-in, with profilers.
     
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    MGM CEO sold off some of his stock holdings a few weeks before the atrocity, true.

    The Four Seasons (top 4 floors of Hotel) is owned by a Saudi Prince and Bill Gates, true.

    I just want to know, who leaked crime scene photos? (were they stored in an Apple product or a MicroSoft driven device?!!!! probably not a linux OS box)