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War Veteran Arrested for 'Rudely Displaying' Rifle

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by SJ 40, Apr 15, 2013.

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  1. WiskyT

    WiskyT Malcontent

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    Really? Are you that incapable of comprehending his words, or are you deliberately trying to deny what he said?


    Who do you think he was talking about here? Context is important. You were taught that in 3rd grade. He is involved in a dispute with LEOs in his city, in that context he refers to cockroaches in his city. Are you going to argue he was talking about the public works department? You might be trying to parse grishams words, but he isn't.
     
  2. Gamma_Rat

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    I think you need to go back and reread the blog post. IIRC, he mentioned several examples of municipal employees before the "cockroach" comment.

    This is what you said:

    I don't know where you get that. It certainly isn't in the blog post. Perhaps you should think before you speak.
     

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    You've been carrying grisham's water here all along. You claim you have criticisms of his actions, and then you go on to defend his actions. You and grisham are two sides of the same counterfeit coin.

    Grisham acted like a twit. He got treated with courtesy and professionalism. I wouldn't have grabbed grisham's rifle. I would have ordered him to turn around and go prone. Any action other than that would have resulted in him being struck by my gunfire. It's as simple as that.

    In a world where this is becoming more and more common, I wouldn't have been as understanding as the Temple PD Officers:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AokjLn-fpww"]Caught On Cam - Police Traffic Stop Shooting With An AK47 - YouTube[/ame]

    And, while you might not be intelligent to include incidents like the above shootout in the Officers' frame of mind when they secured grisham's rifle, you can be sure the judge that hears this case, if it even goes to trial, will.

    Your complete lack of real world LE experience shows in the way you have no clue the amount of leeway courts award to Officers regarding their actions to make a scene safe. All the posters in here who have actual LE experience understand this and frankly have been goofing on you this whole time. This case wouldn't take up more than 30 minutes in a court before the judge ruled. You go into all of this goofy case law stuff, I'll tell you flat out that stuff only happens in watershead cases. No judge is going to allow constant motions on nonsense like you think is going to be heard.

    An agitated man with a rifle in his hands, a 911 call, and a minor in possible danger, yeah, it's completely unreasonable for the Police to disarm the guy:upeyes:
     
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    You're correct. It is not LEO's he is disputing, it's the parks and recreation department that are a threat to his Rights:upeyes:
     
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    I do have criticisms of Grisham. None of them involve a known violation of the law.

    It may come as a shock to you, but unpopular lawful behavior is still lawful, and that's all that matters in a police/citizen encounter that involves a seizure.

    How do you know? We have to see the vid and hear the 911 call. I would hardly consider effecting an unlawful seizure to be professional behavior from a cop.

    Based on what? Make an articulation that justifies seizure.









    You need to check the statistics. Last I looked, violence against police was not at all on the rise.

    But, more to the point, you're being sensational. Spare me. Liberty is dangerous, but it's preferable to the alternative. We all take that risk.

    If a cop is wound that tight, perhaps he should seek some professional counseling. What we see in the video above is an outlier. This is simply not how so many police/citizen encounters go.

    How often do you tremble and fret when you enter a school or go to the mall or a post office or a Luby's?

    Give me a break.



    Oh my. You don't think I understand exactly what our judiciary has done to our liberty?

    I had to reread Arizona v. Gant about fifty times before I believed it. Scalia himself actually referred to the former bright line rule as a "charade." Given the trend in Fourth Amendment jurisprudence over that last forty years, I was floored to read this case.

    We'll see.

    And I think we'll revisit this post.


    Where do you see that the minor is possibly in danger?

    He mentioned several folks. Not just cops. And he didn't make reference to "all" of them, either. You're just fabricating that.
     
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    Grisham estimates 2 minutes of dash cam footage before his video starts.

    That is a long time for an officer to exit a vehicle, greet him, and ask why he is carrying the rifle in his words.
     
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    Part of that time may be footage of the officer rolling up.
     
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    For the record...
     
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    When there is new information, new factual information, we'll start a new thread.

    Honestly, I have no more patience, no tolerance left for the ignorant crap being posted. I'm tired of sending messages to members telling them, warning them not to respond to some of the trolling language in some posts in this thread. I thank all for your cooperation...proud of you.

    Like I said, if there is real honest to goodness "NEW" news, we'll start a new thread.
     
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