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Discussion in 'GSSF' started by myglockisa23, Jun 19, 2007.
Finals are posted
Congratulations "Old Glenn" (spelled with 2 n's that look the same)on a Clean Match in Unlimited with a score of 48.03. Great shooting. Guess that Little Green Leprecon is proving itself. Proud of you buddy.
Team VA Arms Co. placed:
1st Master Stock Team
2nd Amateur Civilian Team
I won $100 and on of my VA Arms Co teammates won a Glock and $175!
Congrats SOCOMCEN! Team VA ARMS clearly DOMINATED that match.
You guys shooting any other GSSF venues this year? How about the indoor series?
We're shooting Topton, PA
I read the GSSF Rules and if it's correct then I should have won a gun instead of $100 in Competition class at Waldorf. The don't have Todd S down as a Master (but he is automatically one since he's a GM/M in USPSA). I emailed GSSF for clarification.
update: There has to be more than 10 Masters to upgrade from the $100 to a pistol. Oh well. GSSF should do a little better job looking to see who is and isn't a Master, they missed Todd S and could have just as easily missed another.
VA Arms did really good at Waldorf
i hope we get the chance to shoot the indoor match, but we might not due to work hours. I really hope we can go and represent the VA Arms team.
i dont see anything about MORE than 10 masters needed for them to award a gun in this scenario. their rules clearly say if there are 10 masters the $100 first prize will be upgraded to a gun. here's the rule:
The final scores for Waldorf are up. http://www.gssfonline.com/results/2007/2007wmd.pdf
VA Arms Co MASTER Team took 1st place
VA Arms Co AMATEUR CIVILIAN Team took 2nd place
Per page 1 of the new 2007 Rules the $100 prize should be upgraded to a pistol since there were 10 Master shooters in Competition class, here's the 2007 rules:
http://www.gssfonline.com/GLOCK Report Rules2007.pdf
For our Master competitors. For the first time we are opening the Subcompact and Competition divisions to our Master-class competitors on the same basis as they have been participating in the MajorSub category. In all three divisions, we are offering the same prize upgrade scheme as was described above for the Amateurs. That is, if we have 10 Master competitors in one of the divisions, the $100 1st place award will be upgrade to a Pistol. If we
have 15 Master entries, we will add a $100 2nd Place Award. If we have 18 Master entries, we will add a $75 3rd place award.
They didn't put down my friend Todd Sindelar as a Master. He's automatically a Master class shooter in GSSF since he's a Master and Grandmaster in USPSA his membership # is TY28555 and registered as Master. GSSF missed it. Todd makes the 10th Master and in so doing GSSF should upgrade the $100 prize to a Glock.
Here's GSSFs definition of a Master class shooter:
170.50 Definition of Master
1. The competitor is a professional shooter.
2. The competitor has won three (3) GLOCK firearms as high overall in any division at previous
3. The competitor has finished in the top 25 percentile of a non- GSSF major shooting competition.
4. The competitor is classified master or above in NRA, PPC, IDPA, ICORE IPSC/USPSA, Cowboy
Action or similar shooting disciplines.
5. The competitor is a member of an armed forces pistol shooting team.
6. The competitor is a member of a (non-GSSF) law enforcement organization-sponsored pistol
They clearly need to read their own rules and practice them.
Hmmm....... I wonder if the GSSF staff knows every master out there? I think if we see a master we should let them know and they will take care of it. Once they post the final scores with prizes it's too late.
And from friends in low places they are trying to work with their database so that masters will be clearly marked when they post scores.
Master wasn't put on the prelims scores. Master didn't appear behind the shooters name until the finals.
UPDATE: GSSF will be changing the prize to a Glock, so that means Luis (Looey) has won 2 Glocks! Congrats dude! Semper Fi!
semper fi!!!!! right back at you, dan and bernie..
we did awesome as a team. but i have to keep an eye on you and dan, you guys are right behind me.
here we go VA Arms, Here we go!!!!!!
this master issue is something that has to be dealt with carefully. i was recently at the jackson match and had an ro tell me i should be classified as a master.I have not won any guns or any other big match and i am an ipsc 'c' class shooter.each individual perception of how well a shooter is will vary based on experience.eg bobby carver vs. dave sevigny both very good shooters but very different. if we have folks calling gssf crying that every person that beats them is a master this situation will quickly get out of control and we all know how some people just like to complain. so if you are classified as a master and register as a civilian then shame on you and i hope the gun you win does nothing but jam. lets not let this cry-baby stuff get out of control
The shooter in question should have declared himself a master at registration.
i agree gssf matches are set up to be fun nothing else no other gun co does a fraction of what glock does for its shooters lets just enjoy it
Just some thoughts (no cry babying here)......I see that if you finish in the top 25% of a non GSSF shooting match you are considered a master but you aren't considered a master in GSSF until you win three pistols (3-1st place finishes)..... Would the average shooter consider a shooter that has a score in the 60's in GSSF an amateur shooter? Maybe they should declare any shooter that finishes with a score of 60's or less 3 times to be declared a Master? Nothing against these guys but the top ten in the Waldorf Civilian match shot in the 60's..... and the winner shot in the 50's......If these aren't master class shooters, what are they? I'm happy to shoot 90's....I don't believe that GSSF even uses the word Amateur any longer, it is now Civilian Class with some great shooters.....
good point..however at some phase a "amatuer" shooter will get better and then make that transition to master during that process he or she will put up some good numbers and if every time we see a shooter do very well some one will cry "master" and this could get out of control. that is my concern i was one of those times in the 60's and in jackson i shot it in 58.then i had the privlige to watch mr carver shoot, big difference.He is a master and he can consistently put up those numbers . me on the other hand civ was great but comp. was in the 90's. some times we are just lucky and sometimes just unlucky(mostly unlucky in my case) my point is that there are alot of good shooters and everyone is striving to do better lets just congratulate the winners and be grateful that gssf is so generous to all its shooters
I agreee with you....GSSF is very generous......
I highly recommend you read rule 170.50 again. It list 6 items and if you meet ANY one or all 6 of those items you are considered a Master Class Shooter in GSSF. You don't have to win a single Glock in GSSF to be classified a Master in the eyes of GSSF.
Thanks.......I read them before posting.... my main point is if you can shoot in the 50's and 60's you are more of a "master" than the ones that meet the critera of the 6 items listed...
I do enjoy watching the masters like Clem and Fireglock make it look so easy....