Video: New Mexico shooting at statue.

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  1. bigj480

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    Not much info yet. Shooter did try to retreat but was attacked.

    Warning, shooting and language!

    Shooting shortly after 6:30 timestamp.
    https://streamable.com/k395q5

    Different angle and closer.
    https://streamable.com/p8l0c0

    Supped still image just before the shooting. [click]

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    Statements from officials. [click]
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    Just curious if the statue was hit or injured?? People should be very careful when doing such foolishness as you never know:
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    Shoot I searched but you posted a few mins before I did. I would have just posted in your head had I seen it. The mayor cares about his reelection and our political opponents are actually pressuring politicians very strongly to get in line...unlike us. They will make this out as a case of crazy gun people in the media.
     
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    No worries, yours has more info. This is about making defending yourself from mob rule, illegal. They said they were going to kill him and it sure seemed like the mob was intent on harming him.
     
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    I'm hoping it was them that said that and not him. I don't think it was him.
     
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    BobbyS Truth always sounds like lies to a sinner

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    these idiot mayors and PD chiefs need some really good lawsuits against them. give them something to do besides ***k up everything
     
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    It sounded like someone next to the person filming in the second video link.
     
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    They were screaming that he was a cop. Showed they were intent on harming him.
     
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    The girl was like OMG, he shot somebody!
    What The Hell do you expect when you chase him down the street swinging skateboards at him, then tackle him?
     
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    Have you ever wondered what is the opposite of a Mensa meeting?
     
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    Look how they try to paint this story

    Covering for violent "protestors" while also making it about race.

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    Oh oh oh, I know this one! An antifa/blm meeting! What did I win?
     
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    Looks like the unfirearmed protesters, won the encounter for the statue. But, and I think this is a valuable learning opportunity, don’t bring a skateboard to a gun fight.
     
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    They were protesting a statue of this guy. It seems to me that after almost 800 years of fighting Muslim invaders the Spanish had a definite cruel streak. They learned the wrong lessons from the Muslims.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_de_Oñate
     
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    I think the reason they choose the skateboard is they can try to claim it is not a weapon. While it is IMO a clumsy weapon it has definite skull breaking potential.
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    Yeah, if he wasn't armed it would have been another video of a mob of people overwhelming and beating a single person. I've seen way too many of those recently.

    And does this make them feel tough, or that they've achieved some sort of "justice"? 15 people against one?

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    Looks the shooter is being condemned as a militia member vigilante that won't be tolerated by the government and the media.

    So basically the mob is in full control of our country right now folks.
     
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    Looks like the guy in question instigated this. It is quite clear from this video where he assaults an unarmed woman half his size, that he went there to pick a fight. Yes you have a right to self defense, but don't go picking a fight with a mob, then wonder when they attack you. Watch the video below for more context.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFrea...urce=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

    Not justifying the mob chasing this guy... but to me this is akin to going into a biker bar, punching a biker in the nose, then claiming self-defense when they come after you.

    This guy is NOT the kind of carrier that represents us gun folks well.
     
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    This actually makes it an interesting case IMHO. I even find it hard to know where I stand on this issue now. There are 3 instances highlighted in that thread. Ignoring the main one for a second, there is an instance where he is being pushed by multiple people and he pushes someone putting their hands on him. There is another instance where he knocks someone's sign out of their hands. Neither of these I think would remove his right to claim self-defense IMHO. It is a really strange case though, because there are likely many aggressors and it's hard to know how the "chain of aggression" is relevant in that situation. What if all of these people had pushed him first at some point? What if he pushed these people an hour or two earlier, would that remove is right to self-defense?

    Anyway, the main issue is the woman he throws to the ground right before he starts to walk away. I would love to see the actual law regarding losing one's right to claim self-defense in NM. The lady was preventing him from walking forward but that doesn't excuse what he did. The most interesting part of this is if you push someone down do people then have the right to chase you down and assault you with a deadly weapon like a skateboard? I don't really see how that logically follows. If they were actively defending someone by assaulting him, I could understand it, but as he is trying to leave? It seems like a job for police at that point. At that point, it's about charging him with a crime, not about safety. Could they argue they were trying to make a citizen's arrest by assaulting him? Really, I think my stance is that the guy is guilty of assault for what he did to the girl but I don't think they were right in assaulting him after the fact and I do think he was acting in self-defense. That's my current position but I'm open to someone addressing these points.