Veteran Criticizes Police Practices, Gets Guns Seized

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    Veteran Criticizes Police Practices, Gets Guns and Firearm License Seized by Chief of Police

    NOVEMBER 14, 2019
    https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/vet...-guns-and-firearm-license-seized-chief-police

    Watch what you say about local officialdom in Tisbury, Mass., or you may find Police Chief Mark Saloio knocking at your door to revoke your Second Amendment rights.

    That’s the harsh lesson 84-year-old Stephen Nichols learned last month when he was overheard criticizing one of Saloio’s employees for leaving his post as a school resource officer to drink coffee at a local convenience store during work hours. Nichols would later explain he couldn’t imagine someone whose job it was to guard kids leaving them defenseless.

    Nichols knows a thing or two about fidelity to duty. According to an article in MV Times, he served in the U.S. Army as a Morse Code Specialist during the Korean War era and as a police officer in Tisbury for decades. After his wife died a couple of years ago, Nichols took a job in Tisbury as a crossing guard to stay involved in the community and because, he said, “I love the kids.”

    Ironically, it was Nichols’s concern for those kids that caused him to run afoul of Chief Saloio.

    As Nichols explained to MV Times, a school resource officer believed to be responsible for the children’s safety would go “to Xtra Mart to get coffee when children came to school in the morning.” He mentioned this to a friend while conversing at a restaurant on Sept. 18. Nichols expressed his concern about this to a friend, worrying that somebody could “shoot up the school” while the officer was away from “his post.”

    A waitress at the restaurant overheard the conversation and reported Nichols to the police two days later as potentially threatening the school. “[O]n the strength of that,” according to the MV Times, “Saloio and another officer relieved Nichols of his crossing guard duties while he was in the midst of performing them and subsequently drove to his home and took away his firearms license and guns.”

    Nichols indicated the firearm and license seizures occurred without due process or the opportunity to contest the process. There was no paperwork involved in either case, Nichols told MV Times. “No he just told me to hand [the firearm license] over so I took it out of my wallet and handed it to him.” Nichols likewise reported there was no paperwork presented to justify the firearm seizures and no receipts provided for the property that was taken.

    Nichols emphatically denied that he meant any threat to children at the school or that he would ever hurt a child. As he explained to MV Times:

    When I was in the U.S. Army, and it wasn’t just me, it’s anybody who’s in the U.S. service, if you are on guard duty for eight hours, you didn’t leave that position. … And I’m just so accustomed to that, that when I see someone who’s supposed to be protecting kids … leave the school unguarded — if you’re on guard duty, you stay there.

    The friend with whom Nichols shared his concerns, and the owner of the restaurant, both defended Nichols.

    The restaurant owner told the MV Times he has known Nichols for decades and called the situation absolutely outrageous.” He acknowledged that one of his restaurant employees “overreacted” to what was said.

    Nichols’s friend characterized the city’s reaction as “absurd.” “He loves kids,” the man said. “It’s almost like of all the people …” He added that no one else at the restaurant where Nichols is a regular customer believes him to be a threat.

    MV Times said its reporting of the incident “generated social media activity never before seen on the Martha’s Vineyard Times webpages, including links on gun activist and law enforcement pages, and tens of thousands of Facebook hits.”

    Perhaps not coincidentally, Nichols has now been reinstated to his crossing guard duties. He said Chief Saloio met with him on Columbus Day, and, without explanation, offered him his job back. Nichols accepted.

    The fate of Nichols’s guns and firearm license, however, remain unclear. An attorney who represents Nichols told MV Times confirmed his intent to file an appeal to secure the return of what Chief Saloio seized. Meanwhile, Nichols was informed that his grandson, who manages a Worcester gun shop, is “going to be allowed to come down and take the weapons and sell them for me.” As it stands, Nichols has yet to receive his license or firearms back.

    Nothing in the MV Times reporting indicates that Nichols was ever found to be a legitimate threat; Nichols is said to have held a Massachusetts firearm license without incident since 1958, and nothing was ever adjudicated against Nichols by a court of law prior to the seizures of his property. Because there was no proven justification for depriving Nichols of his legally owned firearms, commentators are citing the situation as a cautionary tale against “red flag” firearm seizure laws.

    Incredibly, the situation may be more insidious than the commentators suspect.

    Even the worst “red flag” laws contemplate the involvement of a disinterested judge or magistrate; someone who would hear some evidence, even at the lowest evidentiary standard, before issuing a confiscation order. But because lawful firearm possession in Massachusetts requires a license, some officials – like Chief Saloio – are growing comfortable with treating your fundamental Second Amendment rights as a privilege to be revoked at their discretion.

    This is patently unconstitutional.

    © 2019 National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action. This may be reproduced. This may not be reproduced for commercial purposes.
     
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  2. Mayhem like Me

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    I remember the original story was that he had threatened to go shoot up a school, if this version is correct they owe this man an apology, all his guns, and a trip to the police range on them, with all the ammo he can shoot.
    And he is correct the SRO needs to stay at the school and bring coffee.
     

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    Preposterous!
     
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    and this crap will eventually motivate an otherwise great citizen to lash out. I hope this wrong is righted, and this gentleman can recoup his $$ losses.
     
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    What should concern people. The info from a person overhearing part of a story was enough. (After a couple days of thought) to make a immediate action plan infront of the kids.

    There are reasons it's done in public. Shock value. IF they were concerned for the kids safety they would have been to his home a hour before his shift in the AM. To ask questions, call the friend, then apologize for their (at that point proper actions of checking out a possible threat)

    If she called it in that day. IMO they should have visited this guy that evening. Asked questions, cleared it up, gone back on patrol.
    At most have him, his buddy, the waitress meet at station that evening.
     
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    It's noteworthy that the article uses the word "revoke" to describe what happened to Nichol's gun rights.

    Under the red flag law, gun ownership is no longer a right that you are entitled to.

    Instead, gun ownership is only a privilege, which the government can revoke and take away from you any time they want, if they decide they don't want you to have access to guns.

    In this case, a military veteran with a spotless record was red flagged and had his guns confiscated, simply because some nosy bystander overheard part of a conversation and completely misinterpreted the context of what he was saying.


    Every gun owner should OPPOSE the unconstitutional, dangerous and oppressive red flag law.
     
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    That scumbag Gestapo police chief who chose to publicly humiliate the innocent 84 year old crossing guard should be fired, banned from ever working in LE again, and have his pension and LEOSA privileges revoked.

    Maybe that will teach him to respect the Constitution, and learn some professionalism.
     
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    It's amazing what this world has come to. This was a conversation that was overheard (probably in bits and pieces), reported two days later, and likely spotty from what was even remembered when overhearing the original conversation.

    Is it too much to ask that we take that info, document it, go to the house of the 'accused' and have a conversation about what happened and what the intent was? Sure, the left will use the "If it saves one life" argument, but it's gone way beyond that.

    People seem to have lost the ability to think for themselves. Sad.
     
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    So they gave him his job back, but not his firearms or license? Disarmament is the end goal, after all. "Sorry, we were wrong. Now that we've disarmed you, you can have your old job back." No doubt they are congratulating themselves for "getting those dangerous guns off the street."
     
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    I really am looking forward to the day SCOTUS settles this, but I also hope that doesn’t happen until President Trump replaces RBG. Can’t trust Roberts with this.
     
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    A couple of the earlier articles almost made it sound as though he decided he didn't want to fight to get his guns back.
     
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    If a few instances of such laws being grossly abused are contested and appealed to a couple of the circuit courts, and the respondent's legal teams want to press the cases further, perhaps a case or two might get the attention of the high court?

    Might it take differing opinions among at least a couple of different circuits, though?
     
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    Conflict between circuits is probably the #1 flag for an issue to get cert at the Supreme Court, but it's not the only way.

    I do think 'red flag laws' will make it to SCOTUS within the next few years. I just don't want them taking it up right now. Anyone who would rule the Obamacare fine/penalty for not buying health insurance was just a tax has no business being our nation's deciding vote on every politically polarized case that gets picked up.
     
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    And that is why when I enlisted in the military I never went back to Massachusetts to live! Too many A**holes there.
     
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    Why should he have to fight to get his guns back, when he has done absolutely nothing wrong?
     
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    I mixed up this instance with the other recent one in Seattle regarding the gentlemen served with the Order.

    The only articles from last month involving this instance indicated the gentleman's attorney would be appealing the loss of the firearms license and his firearms. Considering that this wasn't reported to be a "red flag" case, per se, but simply a local appointing authority apparently deciding to revoke a license sans any documentation or paperwork, it's understandable that a reasonable person would question it.

    Nothing subsequent to the original articles last month comes up online, even in the NRA News, so whatever may be happening with it, it doesn't appear to be happening quickly. (Or publicly?)
     
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    Yeah, I'd not be surprised if it takes another few years for some court to do something with this type of Order that brings it to the attention of at least one circuit court.
     
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