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Discussion in 'Heckler & Koch Forum' started by SIGShooter, Apr 8, 2010.
What are your thoughts between the 3?
Which would you go with?
I have V-3 on my New P30 40 cal. DA/SA with decoker and safety
On which model?
All LEM for me. Uspc, HK45, p30 9&40
My USP45 was originally a V1. I did the LEM conversion and think it's the greatest combat pistol trigger I've ever found. I have the stock trigger-torsion-spring & hammer-spring in mine. I tried the heavier LEM kit springs for a couple weeks but went back to the stock variants. Perfection for my needs.
I really could not list a single fault in this system, and being able to lose that large, multi-function thumb-lever was a BIG plus as well.
HK USP in general.
Just getting a feel.
I thought V3 only has a De-cocker and no safety.
That would be a P30S, which adds a manual safety lever but retains the decocking button on the rear of the frame. It is still considered a V3 because it is DA/SA, in addition to being an "S" model.
Well I've played with the LEM a bit on other models, although I still prefer standard V1 DA/SA on my USP's.
Definitely try and LEM before you buy it. You'll either love it or hate it, very few are in the middle.
I have a couple of USP's in V1.
I am right handed and would only go with V1's.
If you are going to carry cocked/locked go V1. Othewise...LEM rules.
What trigger does the P2000 have?
I was playing around with some H&Ks yesterday at the shop. They were all V1 except the P2000. That trigger, P2000, I really liked!
I guess I really don't need the decocker. I don't use one on my Glocks or my 1911 just the Sigs.
Is the LEM only available to law enforcement personel?
Cant tell if its just a tactical sounding name for the trigger setup. HK likes to use words like Socom, and Navy, etc.
My understanding is that "LEM" is a type of trigger.
Really, when you think about it, ALL the gun manufacturers like using words that are "Tacticool". It's a selling point.
Think about it…
Glock: The best "Combat" pistol ever made
Sig Sauer: Used by the "Navy SEALS"
Me, I like H&Ks, Glock, Sigs and 1911s. I just look at all those words as selling points.
Anyone can order the kit. These were the parts I got with mine. I only used one of the 4 springs supplied. The one that keeps the hammer rearward to ensure a full strike swing. The second one in the photo, if going from left to right.
7/8 of the pull is like a perfectly smoothed, unstacking S&W revolver if it only had maybe 2lbs of pull weight. The final 1/8 of pull is very similar to the feel of the overcoming final break of a Glock with 3.5lb connector installed. An off-the-shelf LEM pistol would have the heavier kit springs I'm sure, and would not feel the same. I tried the heavy springs and didn't care for it as much, but still way more than the previous V1.
If I hadn't installed the LEM my USP45 would still be sitting in the bottom of my safe just aging. It's now my favorite .45 to shoot, even beating out my single-action Colt 1911A1.
Awesome post! Thank you!
P2000 V1 is light LEM (4.5-5lbs).
LEM is a DAO type trigger, therefore there is no need for a decocker.
I had shot/carried only V1 HKs for almost 15 years until recently. I swapped my USP9 Compact to LEM, plus went with a lighter trigger return spring and firing pin block spring to get the Light LEM trigger. I think my trigger is a bit under 5lbs. I also dropped in a hammer axle from a V5/V6 and kept the safety decock lever. The lever therefore doesn't move down for decocking (which would be pointless on an LEM since there's no single action) and does move up for a safety.
I absolutely LOVE the Light LEM. Once a round is chambered, every shot feels like a single action to me. And, the trigger is exactly the same for every shot since you don't start with a double action and switch to single action thereafter.
I kept the safety since I'm so used to it being there and since my other HKs are still V1s and have the safeties. Just for personal preference and consistency.
btw If you did have a squib round, all you have to do is pull a double action trigger and try again. Comparing to a Glock, you'd have to cycle the slide to eject and hope the squib doesn't go off.
Note: If you want a Light LEM and are converting the V1 to LEM with the kit above, you would keep the trigger return spring and firing pin block spring that are in the gun already and would not use those 2 springs from the LEM kit.
I have a V1 USPc.I like the options of "cocked & locked", decocked/safety off, or decocked with safety on.
The Variant numbers for the USPs are different than for the P2000, P30 pistols.
I prefer the LEM with the heavier trigger spring. I had the lighter spring in my USPc and didn't like the stacking towards the end. I prefer the heavier takeup.