USAF needs bombers

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  1. AK_Stick

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    Uh, Clinton certainly did start it off with the early outs and downsizing.

    Bush may have made it worse, but he certainly didn’t start it.
     
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    [QUOTE="F14A, post: 27719056, member: 248664"]Bill Clinton didn't kick off the downsizing it was Dick "haliburton" Cheney..

    I know. I was active duty at the time. Look at base closure dates all over this Nation and see the force reduction act that Bush senior and Dick concieved of. Then the "evil empire" failed..

    Haliburton became even wealthier by becoming a private military contractor during Gulf War 1.[/QUOTE]

    Bill started some of it. I ( and a lot of others ) was retired out of the Reserves in 1994.
     
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  4. Tomcat1977

    Tomcat1977 Unapologetic Deplorable.

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    Well since I was in USAF I think that at least makes me serious. The amount of functioning bombers is all over the Internet and news because USAF wants public support to get more up and ready. We've always known how many bombers we have. This is America and the taxpayer has a right to know what he's getting for his money. Here https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/...-lancer-readiness-is-in-the-toilet-heres-why/ Thats USAF itself telling you.

    And they have armed forces readiness meetings in Congress open to the press. Heres the B1b info from the latest one. https://www.businessinsider.com/7-air-force-b1b-bombers-are-currently-mission-capable-2019-7

    Even during The Cold War the number of bombers we had on hot pads was no secret. First off we were limited by SALT/START/SORT talks, secondly we wanted the Red's to know exactly what they were facing.
    The START l talks between Bush and the Russian's resulted in the retirement and scrapping of well over 350 B-52's, followed by START ll and SORT talks. This was a good thing. We drastically reduced the numbers of nukes we had pointed at each other, both strategic and tactical, and we stepped back from their trip wire readiness state's. After all, who wants to blow up the world?

    We sent many B-52s to the boneyard but most were old and we had a huge lead in bombers and had to give up something in the treaties. Besides the latest treaty only limits the amount of nuclear weapons available for bomber aircraft, not the numbers of bombers themselves. It WAS the Demokrats who are responsible for the poor state of readiness of our bomber fleet and it will take time and a lot of money to fix.

    Just as bad we are 2,000 pilots short in USAF and the remaining ones aren't getting enough flight time required because all the airframes are so old. And average age of 28 years for USAF airframes is atrocious because 30 years is a very long service life for a military airplane.

    Trump is reversing all this but he will need another term, God help us if one of these socialist schmucks get in. In two years we went from a 53% readiness rate to 11% with the bones. With very few B2's available, the costs of flying them, and so many both B2's and B-52s down for upgrades, its a very big problem.
     
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    pipedreams "Knowledge Speaks - Wisdom Listens,"

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    It's nothing the other side does not already know.
     
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    I remember it wasn't long after the fall of the Berlin Wall people started talking about downsizing the military. By 1991 the USSR was kaput. I remember the CIS in the Olympics in 92 because things were so up in the air.
     
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    I’m not sure what having been in the AF has to do with OR rates being sensitive information.


    But I’m guessing that you didn’t work much with OR rates during that time.
     
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    Not a secret, and our enemy knows already.

    And you can blame the sorry-ass presidents we've had from Bush 1 to Obama as well as the leftist democrats in congress.
     
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    Obviously, I don't know anything about you or your service.

    I will say that my experience is that people closer to the cutting edge tend to be considerably more-cautious about believing press releases about untested future equipment, making claims about how great it'll be, and show a more-realistic assessment of where the modern force is in terms of tactics and tools.

    My observation is that it's always the file clerk who never left Kansas talking about how our tanks can't be killed and our helicopters will nail every AAA site before they get a shot off, etc. The guys who sit in the seats on the tanks and helicopters know at a DNA level that they have strengths and weaknesses, and can absolutely be killed in a heartbeat if things take a bad turn, or even if they just get a tiny bit unlucky. This tends to make them a lot more circumspect when they talk about things.
     
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    Uh, Bush the Senior..
     
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    Bill started some of it. I ( and a lot of others ) was retired out of the Reserves in 1994.[/QUOTE]

    Bush the Senior was President and Cheney was Sec Def.
     
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    Lol.
     
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    Bush the Senior was President and Cheney was Sec Def.[/QUOTE]


    Wasn’t Slick Willy Pres from 1/93 to 1/2001. I had to leave in 1994. I put that on him.
     
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    The only people we can bomb are ****-hole countries that don't have nukes. Don't need heavies for that.
     
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    He may have kicked it into hi gear but it was started w bush 1 once the first gulf war was over.
     
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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_Realignment_and_Closure

    Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC)[1][2] is a process[3] by a United States federal governmentcommission[4] to increase United States Department of Defense efficiency by planning the end of the Cold War realignment and closure of military installations. More than 350 installations have been closed in five BRAC rounds: 1988, 1991, 1993, 1995, and 2005.

    I remember it very clearly because there were a few facilities near where I lived that were some of the first to go.
     
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    Tomcat1977 Unapologetic Deplorable.

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    Guys its a hell of a big ship and takes a lot of time to turn it in a new direction. This current development of both systems and platforms reminds me of Reagan getting in, turning things around, and winning the Cold War. Even Carter figured out the commies were Lying and started many of the systems launched under Reagan.

    What we have thats going to be launched in the next 3 to 10 years "assuming we dont get one of these Leftists in office"? New boomers, new frigates, a new cruiser, a far more powerful SPY radar system for our DDs, an actual job the LittelCrappyBoats can do "minehunting, Lasers, Hypersonics, very advanced AShP missiles including navalized Tomahawk, the Army and Marines get very long range arty and rockets, Lasers, advanced AA, new 6.8mm rifles, upgraded tanks, light tanks, new choppers, more capable amphibs, drones for every service, the USN gets a refueling drone, USAF gets a new bomber, all the fighters are brought up to spec and remaining bombers upgraded, a new nuke cruise missile, new ICBMs. The list is endless and were on target for it, "believe me I stay on top of it".

    But its going to cost and if we want peace then we have to pay. 5 years from now Iran wouldn't be pulling this crap. I agree we shouldn't send our kids in for the damn Saudi's but Iran already has enough blood on its hands what do we do if they start killing our troops with these attacks?
     
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    Unfortunately, literally everything on that list was on the list 10 years ago as well...

    I'll agree some of it is legitimately closer now, like the LCS mine hunting rig, which was supposed to be ready day one for the first LCS launch, and STILL doesn't work very well, supposedly, but it's better than it was a decade ago. The radar upgrades for the Burkes are legit, and look good...

    But most of that list isn't being meaningfully moved forward by Trump, some of it got some attention from Obama, much of it was Bush 43 era projects (just because that's how long defense projects take), and some of it was Clinton-era stuff...

    If we don't want Iran killing our troops, maybe we should move our troops so they're not within, say, 200 miles of Iran?
     
  20. michael_b

    michael_b Elementary, my dear Watson.

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    Maybe we should stop attacking so many countries. Balance out the need.
     
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