USAF needs bombers

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  1. Tomcat1977

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    We have all of 7 B1b's fully fitted and capable and available for missions. Our B-52's are undergoing upgrades and only 33 of 75 are available for missions and out of those 33 some are always on permanent standby for nuclear missions. We "might" have 7 of 20 B2's ready to fight today. Friends we are in a world of crap should we have to fight right now. Believe me that this wretched condition is affecting out foreign policy right now and we are seen as weak by our enemies.

    How did it get this way? At the time of Gulf 1 the American military machine was fully capable of fighting two major war's and one mini "Korea like" one. Right now I doubt were able to fight even one major one and be garunteed a win. Just fighting a little crap pile like Iran would take our full attention.

    And its not just USAF but also the Navy is in poor condition and the other services are having trouble recruiting and retaining as well as getting decent gear to the troops. The USN desperately needs capable war ships and the sailors to man them.

    We are stretched thin.

    But the bomber situation is a real red flag because they are the one thing we have that nobody can match, tho China is changing the equation. Short term we have to get these B-52's re-engined and re-winged with new avionics. They are still capable platforms especially with stand off missiles/bombs and EW assets. I know we can't keep all those B1b's but we have to get a credible number up and running and soon. "7 available" is ridiculous. Theres no reason 15 of those B2's cant be available for missions because they are almost never tasked.

    And most of all we need new B-21's coming off the line and we need all 100 of them.

    And with it the new frigates, new cruisers, new boomers, more SSN's, hypersonics, Lasers ,and rail guns. New ICBMs, a next Gen stealth fighter, and most of all better pay and more troops. But most of all we need bombers. This situation is appalling, no wonder terrorist crapholes like Iran are running wild. Hell most of our allies cant even whistle up fighter planes or even a single submarine.

    WW1, WW2, Korea, 'nam, Falklands, Iraq/Iran, Israel/Arab, Paki/India, every single conflict has started because one entity has perceived real or imagined weakness weakness in military capability and/or national will. We need more bombers or we can pay with blood later.
     
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    It seems like this should be filed under, “not shareable information”.
     

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    We need drones. Thousands of them. And gamer kids to drive them. That’s the future. Not bombers.
     
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    The Russians might sell us some TU-95s. That would be sweet.
     
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    If you take politics out of the equation, we still have the ability to end a world war just as decisively as we did in 1944, and could have done in Vietnam. But socially and politically we don't have the stomach to unleash the hounds.
     
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    That’s the thing. We really don’t. Not conventionally. When I was in we had many hundreds on instant alert. Now? We can spin up a few dozen. It’s appalling and imagine if another Democrat gets in?


     
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    It's not like we don't spend enough money so what is going on?
     
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    I still wish we would go ahead with the 747 Cruise Missile platform.
     
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    Could you imagine the world today had we nuked Hanoi? HH
     
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    Um 1945. And if you mean nukes then it wouldn’t just end the world war it might end the world
     
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    8 years of Obama, partially, B1b’s used in missions that’s stressed the airframes. Long duration loiter support over 4th world countries, partially. A post Cold War reduction. The belief the heavy bomber wasn’t needed anymore.

    Lack of spare parts and bad mAnagement. A limited run of B2’s post Cold War. We actually thought stealth was on its way out yet it never will be. Excessive cost over runs on other systems. To much money spent on welfare bums, and on and on.

    In short a perfect storm. I highly doubt USAF could even sustain bomber attacks in a protracted war now. During ‘nam we kept a huge fleet on instant standby with SAC AND sustained Rolling Thunder / Linebacker over NV, eventually bombing them to rubble, forcing them to the peace table.

    We did the same with North Korea.
     
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    Bill Clinton kicked off the downsizing of the US military.
     
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    Time to move on.

    Sorry, but have to say, investing in old tech is just throwing money away.

    As far as bang for the buck, drones are the way to go, can't say more, as I have signed a lot of NDA's, but think outside the box, about smart bombs and drones. There is a much more effective, and reliable, cheaper alternative than manned aircraft.
     
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    The AF knows well that if they spend all their money then plead poverty, we’ll whistle up more to protect aircraft.

    Much like when cities cry they’ll have to axe firefighters because they know it’s a sure bet.
     
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    Not presently.
     
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    It took decades to degrade the capibilities. It will take decades to restore it. Cruise missles have their place. But the thing about a bomber.

    It can be launched. It can be retargeted, ordered to loiter outside of target area, refuel... Actually abort seconds before dropping bombs with little loss of abilities.
    That plane can return, land, refuel, maintenance and the same crew fly another mission the next day. Once a missle is launched. It either goes boom, or its destroyed remotely. (Far as I know they can't be recalled, reused)
     
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    With precision guidance we don't need to drop as many as in the past. I think we could still deal with most countries.
     
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    Ah, yeah.

    We were there 20 years ago.
     
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    Don't we have a few thousand attack airctaft like the raptor and the strike eagles and the fighting falcons and the f-35's that can drop multiple bombs??
     
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