US Army Says "No" to Glock, "Yes" to Sig

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  1. PattonWasRight

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    That's OK. Some Glocks aren't coming in some of my LGS like they used to. If the Army got them, we may never get any in.
     

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    Maybe the USA can't live without............external safeties
     
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    Glock would have made more sense. I guarantee you they are easier to maintain and work on for the armorers than a Sig.
     
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    My G17 with a thumb safety...
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    Whatever. Are they still 9MM? An old Marine buddy of mine (back around '92) told me that the military's decision to replace the .45 with a 9MM is QUOTE "Proof positive that there are ALREADY gays in the military."
     
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    As if he wasn't enough already, right? :)
     
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    I suspect Glock stayed in the running as long as they did, the S&W M&P got cut early, because they said they would consider adding a manual safety and at the last minute said nah.
     
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    I read earlier that they had decided on 40 S&W
     
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    OR... DA/SA Triggers, or what Jeff Cooper used to call, "Crunchentickers" I am disappointed to say the least. BUMMED is more like it. May of 2016 I ran across this news item:

    "Over the last few months, US Special Operations Command units of all branches of the military have been getting Glock 19s. Numerous reports state that Naval Special Warfare Command, MARSOC and AFSOC have been issued the Glock 19.

    Elements of Army SOF have used the Glock 22 for years and are now getting the Glock 19. Army Special Forces Groups have received shipments of Glock 19s for issue. does this mean big Army will adopt the Glock for General use?"
     
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    I wish that were true. Unlike many people I like the forty and consider it superior to the nine. Armed forces adoption of the forty would mean TONS of mil surp ammo in that caliber. The 9mm is a great concealed carry chambering but for military use with FMJ's? I don't think so. Maybe army ordinance will start producing ammo with those "Phillips Head" penetrator bullets.
     
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    Us old salts feel that the Army should have never got rid of the 1911 in the first place.
     
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    Army should have selected Glock 21 .45 ACP which is a better combat alternative to a 1911 ...
     
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    I don't know why this is a big surprise, the external safety was never up for compromise. Glock only made a half hearted attempt to get the order.
     
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    Not to the people who actually engaged in the testing protocol and selection process.

    Again, the people who matter did not think so. Have you have had your hands on a P320? The entire fire control system pops out in about 6 seconds. You are right, though, about hammer-fired Sigs being a pain to detail strip. But that's not the P320.

    You don't really believe that, do you? According to military.com, "Glock is widely expected to protest the decision." That does not sound like Glock didn't care if it received a half-billion dollar order. http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/01/19/army-picks-sig-sauer-replace-m9-service-pistol.html

    Interesting (to no one but me) that I own about 15 Glocks, but have a P320 on my belt as I learned about this. The P320 is a pretty dang good gun, guys. What a poke in the eye to Glock, though, for Sig's first striker fired gun to take the prize. I love them all, so I'm not too butt hurt about this. But I also get that this is a Glock forum.
     
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    That's a very odd comment, being as they ALREADY. Offer a thumb safety.

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    https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9-thumb-safety
     
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    This article from July 2015 lists the major requirements to be met by the XM17 MHS:

    https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2015/...litarys-xm17-modular-handgun-system-contract/

    It seems strange that a weapon for general service issue is required to have capabilities well in excess of those required by the various special operations commands. "Everyday folks" in the military today must be doing things with their service handguns that are way way way beyond what we did when I was in the service 45 years ago. :)

    Glock products as they currently exist would not meet many of the XM17 requirements, but I'd still choose a simple Glock in .357SIG ahead of anything else anywhere.
     
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    Just went to Bud's and the P320 is an affordable Sig, like $500.

    I might just get one to see what they are all about.

    Thanks for posting.
     
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    To date, the P320s I've handled and shot have not really impressed me. However, I'm open minded, so I'm certainly gong to try them some more. One in particular I'd like to get my hands on is the P320 X Carry Mega-Annihilator. (OK I added that last part :p).

    It can be seen in the very beginning of this video.

     
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