Update on Vegas shooting from last month -- Tori Nonaka on-scene?

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  1. fastbolt

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    Did you miss the part in my post #58 where more info was released stating that neither of the victims were seated inside their veh?

    “Baldwin and his girlfriend had just finished eating a late dinner at approximately 2:00 a.m. April 22 and were standing near the trunk of Baldwin’s car when two men “approached quickly.”
     
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    Yes, that's why I edited to respond to you.
     

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    You are respectably (and unsurprisingly) quick. ;)

    I missed seeing the Edited post while responding. Obviously. (Because you're quick.)
     
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    As far as the shoot first & rob later? Obviously there was more to the motive/intention part of things, likely based on the reported previous incident (whatever the hell that turns out to be, once clarified).

    The deceased suspect acted, apparently, with malice and premeditation, and then immediately suffered unexpected consequences.

    Not the first criminal to have things go other than expected, right?
     
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    You nailed it with attitude. I think it was only two matches and maybe I just took her wrong but I didn't care for how she acted. Maybe another time I'd thought she was great. I've squadded with Signevy and his wife once and thought they were like anyone else I might get squadded with. Just a couple people shooting a match.
     
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    She was at a Steel Challenge match I shot a number of years ago in FL after I moved here. Not much interaction with her, but I do remember thinking,

    "Damn, she can shoot "
     
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    If I was sitting on or in or near my GT3 at dark thirty with a smoking hot hottie in a sketchy neighborhood, I’d have my head on a swivel. I’d also be asking myself, “self, why are we doing such a dumbazz thing as this?”
     
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    One article I linked said the bad guy had tried to buy a gun at a gun shop and got denied or something. In a situation like that, I wouldn't be surprised if a redneck ***hole type, like apparently this robber/dead guy, acted up and maybe some words were exchanged with other customers and so forth.
     
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    Well that's disappointing. I was an RO at a 3-gun national match several years ago Jerry Miculek came across like that too. I was on a shotgun stage and he had a flier pellet hit a no-shoot target. There were three of us ROs on the stage and we all checked the targets after each shooter on the super squad. Miculek pitched a fit and tried to claim that it was someone else's hit. Refused to sign his score sheet too. A couple stages later he had an ND while reloading his shotgun. The RO on the stage kept shouting at him to stop but he kept going and finished the stage. When she informed him afterward that he was disqualified he was surprised that she had caught the ND. I'm hoping she is not like that. Rob Leatham on the other hand. Once I started talking to him within a few minutes is seemed like we were old friends. I wish more of the elite shooters were like him. Dave Sivegny shot a few local matches when I was still doing IPSC. Seemed like a really great guy to me.
     
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    Tori was very young when I shot same matches with her, maybe she matured a bit. When Bob Vogel first started shooting he was local to me and working as LEO in Ohio. He was normal guy then and I suspect still is even with his increased fame. I ROed owner of one of the larger shooter supply outfits geared towards competition shooters. It was RimFire Challenge and I called a miss on one target. He threw a fit and I said don't worry we will look at it. Next string he double tapped the target so in the end he had five hits. Use to shoot same match with him and his kids, his kids seemed like unrulely brats but in fairness I never squadded with them so I may be wrong.
    Ken Hackathorn was local to me at one time, no real opinion on him but I'd say he wasn't an ass.
     
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    The shooting is in a good neighborhood. The shooting occured two streets away from the Summerlin master planned community. It's considered to be the best master planned community in Las Vegas for 20 something straight years and in the top 10 in the nation many times. I live maybe 3 minutes away from the shooting area and I have dealt with his dad before in real estate transactions for properties in CityCenter. He basically sold 3 of my clients on expensive condos at the Mandarin Oriental when he gave them personal tours. He didn't have to do it. There were other salespeople he could have do it. The 2 guys that started it lived in an apartment complex across the street from the in n out location.

    I rarely park my GT3RS out anywhere late at night. It attracts too much unwanted attention. I'll only park it late if it's at a casino in the front where the valets park the nice cars, I have a regular Lexus suv to drive around in most daily situations and for work
     
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    Carry the same gun, in the same way, in the same place ALL THE TIME.
     
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    A couple unsurprising things from the article of the incident ...

    One of them seemingly wasn't well-practiced in his shooting, and one of them was well-practiced.

    I've heard this stated by survivors of LE OIS incidents. When they needed to get solid hits they either saw their sights, or started using their sights.
     
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    I love this for a couple of reasons.

    It shows that a lot of the “CCW lore” is from people with varying competence and skill level.

    “You won’t use your sights in a defensive shooting!”

    “It’ll be at contact distance and it’ll be over in one or two shots!”

    Well if you have good situational awareness and good skill levels...

    You might just use your sights and you might choose to shoot more than 3 rounds in order to increase the odds in your favor.

    From the article, it was 14-23 yards and BJ had a Red Dot (okay, Green dot) optic in low light conditions.

    CCW Lore:
    1. Contact distance or close range
    2. Limited number of shots
    3. Don’t need your sights

    Actual:
    1. 14-23 yards in low light
    2. 10 shots all on target
    3. Red (green) dot optic on a carry gun
    If BJ and Tori hadn’t noticed the gun early, it could have turned into a different situation. But by being aware early, BJ could engage at distances that were favorable to his equipment and skill set.

    I wonder if his tire was low left of the bad guy. :D
     
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    I'd think this particular LV shooting incident would probably be considered an outlier when it comes to private citizen shootings. The distances were long, even for LE OIS incidents, and according to the victims they were able to immediately seek cover, which seemingly gained some distance (at least for the male victim).

    The reduced light isn't surprising, considering the time of night and the nature of the location. ;)

    The awareness of the female victim to the suspects presence, movement and actions no doubt gained both of the victims a critical advantage in being able to take cover and action. Without being able to read her statement, it's conjecture that she was alerted by the suspicious movement of the suspects (in a parking lot without a lot of other persons & traffic), and then the visibility of a handgun held by one of the suspects. Deliberate movement by a couple of men, at least one of whom was visibly armed, toward her and her partner, the only other people in that parking lot, at that time of night, probably got her attention, though.

    I'd be mildly curious to eventually read about the positioning and distancing between both the armed suspect and armed victims throughout the course of all of the shots fired by both, but that's just the retired cop and firearms instructor in me.

    Congrats to both victims to have been able to have decisively reacted and acted the way they did.

    And yeah, depending on the approach angle, orientation and movement of the armed suspect, and whether he was R/H handed, it wouldn't surprise me if the shot hitting the victims' veh tire was the result of not using his weapon's sights, and some anticipatory flinch and trigger jerk. ;) Lacking a statement of the deceased suspect, though, it's simply speculation.
     
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    One of the descriptions of the shooting said that BJ took cover behind a trash can. I hope that was a dumpster, not a trash can, although I remember the "A Team" always liked trash cans as "cover".
     
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    Where is all of this info coming from? I haven't seen details in the local newspaper's site and the local tv news sites with only a few more details that were released 2 or 3 days after the incident. I must have missed the RJ articles that must have been posted many days later and I must have been focused on the daily new cases/new deaths reported for clark county. I did hear that a total of 15 bullets were fired between both of them. Interesting that its now 18 total shots between them and it was 10-0. I just checked BJ's IG and he mentions something about taking his 991.2 Turbo S to the track and asked if anyone knew anything happening locally. I guess that's because he might not be in PCA or any other car club here. If he was in the local PCA, I think I would have remembered him. I go to most track events that our local club hosts as well as the vette club and bmw club track days. None of the local car groups is big enough and has enough turnout to bring the costs down enough. I also checked property records. His parents own multiple properties in the same The Ridges village that is the nicest village in Summerlin for now. Lots of local celebs, athletes, and whos who in vegas lives there. I live just south were the regular folks live. I'm still shocked it happened so close to our area which is one of the nicer areas here. I'll ask a friend of mine and see if her husband who is a Lt with metro can fill me in.

    It was because of this incident that my girlfriend decided to take a shooting class with a professional to see if she is able to shoot and have the courage to get her CCW and keep it on her at all times. I still think she won't end up getting a gun for herself after renting smaller guns for her to try at the range and taking a beginners course.

    Her dad visited us last year and he wanted to go to one of those typical vegas ranges which is tourist oriented and her dad rented a desert eagle and multiple full auto machine guns and the dad who owns a few 9mm and 22LR guns, could barely hold on to it. He's bigger than me, but also of course older. I told her not all guns are going to recoil like the desert eagle .50 her dad rented. I think she's better off with mace or handing someone everything she has in her handbag if it comes down to it. She's just too much of a timid person, but we shall see. She is worried more about car jackings happening because no one is doing home invasions since most people are at home and no one wants to rob a house when people are at home.
     
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    I don't know exactly where it happened in the parking lot, but I can get pics of the parking lot tomorrow. I gotta run some errands in the area near the shooting.
     
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    Ok I did google street view for the location and here are two links that might be helpful in imagining the layout of the parking lot of where they could have been and the trash can which is likely a dumpster.

    First link you can see In N Out all the way at the back and at the far right is where the silver bullet concealment store which I believe is the shop that he owns that has been mentioned.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@36.101...4!1sahigKyhTAiCdyZ1JtwcEFQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

    Rotating from that spot to the left and there is a dumpster which is likely where he shot from and took cover from. The apartment complex in the background which is across the street is where I read that the two attackers lived at. The firefight I would guess also faced east which is the apartment complex. The shooting from BJ's perspective could have likely faced that direction as well. If they were eating out sitting on the trunk of a car it would be facing that way lke where the black mercedes is in the street view link.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@36.101...4!1sahigKyhTAiCdyZ1JtwcEFQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

    Feel free to go back and forth in the parking lot and envisioning where and what happened from what has been reported. I have a few friends who know cops that if I run into I'll ask if they know anything about it and I'm only asking since I live a few miles west of where it happened. I do believe that the spot I picked must have been where it went down or at the very least very close to that spot. Ok that's all I got.
     
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