Underwood 357sig Under Rated Velocity

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  1. fredj338

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    You would take a single 223/60gr to a 500# bear? You truely have no idea what is what. That bear isnt even going blink, his mass & the bullet fragmenting will do nothing to stop him. Ugly surface wound & you are bear food.
     
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    Rail no one has misquoted you. You have more than once said vel & energy is everything & I have shown you multiple times the fallacy of that. You have stated energy dump is more important than crushing vitals. I am all for more piwder, just many cant shoot more better & the only thing that matters is reaching vitals & destroying the targets ability to function, more bigger holes the better. Bullet & placement, energy in pistol rds is only relevant to get the bullet to deform & penetrate to yes, vitals.
     
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    So are we doing the apples to oranges thing yet again. We hunting bears or using a handgun for SD? In any event you still haven't figure out that energy (not energy alone as you like to miss quote) makes the bullet work. Apparently you still haven't figured out how to match the round and bullet type to match the need.
     
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    BALANCED ballistic performance can't be achieved without power it makes all the ballistic factors work. That makes it "the most important single factor", it makes EVERYTHING happen, it does "all the work" whatever the bullet design, caliber, purpose or weight. Energy makes the bullet move, expand, penetrate and kill. That is why more is better and in handguns provides versatility and balanced performance.
     
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    You miss read what he said. He said he would NOT use that round 223 round against a bear.
     
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    He doesn’t; they don’t.
    The sig round doesn’t even outperform the premium 9mm loads and doesn’t hold a candle to the performance of the .45:


    View: https://youtu.be/iWW2Y-IZpyE


    The only issue with the .45 is you really need a 5”+ barrel.



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    Hmmm. Not what I’m seeing:


    View: https://youtu.be/ughIFOrIP_w


    If you want a good balance of penetration and expansion stick the 40 barrel back in it and sell the sig barrel while you still can:



    View: https://youtu.be/z1DeT4hana0


    Or buy yourself a good 1911...


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    The dying deer was just one account. Believe what you want. It's common sense if 2 bullets penetrate the same and expand to the same size, but one has 40-50% more energy, the bullet with more energy will be more effective.
     
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    What data is really "official"? Do you have official data? Is there an expert somewhere that what he says is official? Are gel tests official? That's the issue here. Everything is just comments from people, actual shootings, or gel tests.
     
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    It was the Barnes TSX all copper mushrooming bullet. Worked pretty well. I was surprised.
     
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    I don't think so. Maybe with a soft point. I shot 3 bears. One was with a pistol with a 240gr 44mag. It worked very well.
     
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    Was the velocity pushing 3100fps, do you think?
     
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    Guys, the bottom line is both the 9mm and 357sig are fine to use for SD. I have carried 9mm for many years and it was always in the back of my mind if I should be carrying something more powerful, whether it be 357sig, 40 or 45. I know many of you are thinking the same thing, don't deny it. After a lot of research I finally switched to the 357sig in Glock 33. It was one of the Glocks I won in GSSF last year. I won subcompact division twice and shoot the SC's well so got a G33. I really like the gun and shoot it well even in 357sig. I do shoot 10k+ a year though in multiple calibers.

    I can say one thing now, and that is I don't worry about if I should be carrying something more powerful anymore. For me it's just piece of mind. I'm happy with my 357sig. I can deal with one less round and a little more training to control the extra recoil.
     
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    I believe they were loaded to around 3000fps per the load data book. I did not chrono them. It was a 62gr TSX I believe. Was almost 10 years ago. My 11 year old daughter shot the buck at the time. I wanted her to use something easy to shoot for an 11 year old.
     
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    No doubt, but only slightly. A 50% increase in me will NOT = 50% more effective terminal performance.
     
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    I am also fine with a g33 but also fine with a g26, you just have to be a bit more selective about ammo in a short 9mm. You shoot enough to be able to deal with addl revoil, as do I. The avg leo or ccw shoots about 1/10 that.
     
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    So see, you fid it again. All that matters is vel & me, pure bs rail. Without the right bullet, neither mean anything.
     
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    I agree, it's not 50% more effective terminal performance. That's not what I was saying.
     
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    That is the issue, you cant look at the vel & me & say it is anything more than a bit better. It isnt meadurable.
    I like the 357sig a lot, it is one of the calibers I carry, but like you, I actually shoot, a lot. Until 3y ago, only 45acp & magnums, 9-10k rds a year. So recoil management is possible but I am better still with a 9mm in a subcomact & that is really all I care about, landing a lot of good jhp into my target as fast as possible, one or two hands, contact to 30y+.
     
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