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Ultramag Tubular Bullet: talk about wounding capacity!

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by ABNAK, Feb 6, 2010.

  1. ABNAK

    ABNAK

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    Browsing through my old "Handgun Stopping Power" (Marshall and Sanow) I found a load that intrigues me quite a bit. Obviously I don't think it is still made but if it was just think of the potential for "stopping power". It was loaded by PMC in .38 Spl and .44 Spl. Basically a hollow copper bullet, similar to the Barnes X except that there was no base to it, i.e. it was a flying copper tube. A gas check wad of some sort was used to allow the pressure to propel it from the barrel but then the wad fell out and the remaining projectile was a "tube". Now, expansion wasn't it's ace in the hole; it was the cutting power. Think about it: a normal, expanded bullet pushes and sometimes cuts it's way through tissue. This particular round totally detached tissue on it's way through. A .38 or .44 sized "rope", if you will, of detached tissue. An irreplaceable hole bored through the target. Basically uncontrolled bleeding.

    Maybe Double Tap or Buffalo Bore could resurrect this thing?
     

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  3. Merkavaboy

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    Lots of inaccurate info on that thread.

    The first gen .38Spl Ultramag was made out of brass. ATF designated it an AP handgun round so PMC had to switch to a copper alloy. The Ultramag was designed based on the Ring Airfoil Projectile (RAP). Prior to the PMC load Gilford Engineering Assoc (GEA) produced a similar bullet that was made out of steel. It was loaded in at least two calibers that I know of, 9mm & 45ACP.

    Interesting piece of trivia is that a novelty toy called a "Toobee" was designed based on the principles of the RAP. The original concept Toobees were made out of aluminum drink cans and were approx half the length of the can. I knew the original inventor of the Toobee and I still have about 6 of the original prototypes.
     
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    Surely it would just tumble on impact and would only "cut" an entrance hole.
     
  5. ABNAK

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    Wouldn't the "tube" being filled with meat tend to impede tumbling a bit? I mean most bullets don't tumble right away, so I'll assume that the tube would be filled with meat before the penetration depth at which tumbling usually occurs.
     
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    Yep---you have it right. You always have good posts.

    I shot my brass Ultramags up early on. Still have two 50-round boxes of the coppers, in .38 Special. I know at one point, I had some of the .44 Specials. Can't recall what which caliber came first. Way back then, the Charter Arms Bulldog was super popular.

    Oh, those "exotics!" :rofl: Tested them all with Joe Zambone! I think the PMC round concept had merit. There were sooooooooooooo many other concepts, that were completely flawed. Think: ThunderZap!
     
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