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Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by batson35, Nov 21, 2011.
Two of the officers and the Chief are on forced leave.
Hey, it's only pepper.
Were those students wearing gas masks that I couldn't see or didn't notice? In viewing the video the pepper spray seemed to have little or no effect. Am I missing something?
The students surrounded a group of police. When the police said they were leaving and wanted a path, a group told them they (police) would have to go trough them first. They sat down cross legged and linked arms. There they sat peacefully blocking they police exit from the area. That was a statement made today by one of those sprayed in an interview on NPR.
Funny thing is, UCD Chief Spicuzza was my academy sergeant. She didn't take any bull back then. She will be sacrificed on the alter of UC political correctness.
What I saw on the news looked like a bunch of cops attempting to punish peaceful protesters. Kind of reminded me of the 60's, only without the batons and dogs.
If people are protesting on a University Campus, why the hell would the Chief of college police/Chancellor Whatsherface deem it necessary to do anything? Is a goddanm college campus. People protest all the time on campuses Nationwide for whatever reason. Seems like a no win situation and a stupid decision.
At least the pepper spray cop has become a popular culture icon.
Then I suggest you watch the full video instead of the news blurb. The officers tried to get them to move so they could get themselves and their vehicle through for several minuetes. The only ones sprayed are those who blocked the concrete path where the vehicle was. If it had been the 60s it wouldn't have been like that.
Because they prevented people from going places by blocking access points.
236PC false imprisonment and 626.somethingPC trespass on UC grounds.
The chief and Lt can be fired easy. Problem is the UC system just ****ed themselves forever when it comes to protests from now on.
Maybe they need free speech zones like they had at the democratic convention.
In the footage I've seen there are cops on both sides of the protesters, so somehow they must have been able to get past them. If I needed to get into the building, I'd simply... you know step over them.
That's like refusing to move your car when you are parked in a fire lane next to an empty parking spot.
You can peacefully assemble and have free speech - that doesn't mean that it is limitless.....You can't do it in my living room if I don't invite you in. There are still some rules....dozens of people are using their free speech in this video and NOT blocking the path, those people do not get arrested.
They were told to clear a path for the emergency vehicle and staff. You can see the vehicle better in this video;
There was no reason for them to block the path except to be spoiled brats. Protest all you want, but you are still accountable for your illegal actions. Occupy is the same way - you can't block the road without a permit for that street and expect it to be kosher just because you are "protesting." If any other citizen walked down the middle of the road blocking thousands of people on their commute to work they would get arrested or cited as well.
What ever happened to just good old fashioned picking people up and moving them? I see a vehicle sitting there, but without it's sirens and flashy lights going I don't know if it is reasonable to assume there was an "emergency."
As much as a dislike hippies, I just don't get the warm fuzzies when I see police dressed as storm troopers casually spraying chemicals into the eyes of folks just sitting on the ground.
None of this is going to turn out well for anybody. The government is corrupt and they have LEO and Military to do there dirty work.
If a Kent State type action takes place in this day and age LEO and Military will be in a real bad situation.
There was no reason for the cops to spray the peaceful demonstrators. I saw the complete vid as it's known today. Folks were not threatening LEO's. Just holding ground in a peaceful manor.
These so called legal orders are carrying less weight with the citizens of the USA. The system seams to forget who they work for. And why IMHO.
It's going to get worse before it gets better.
Hamster, I'm with you on this one, as is Peter Moskos, http://www.copinthehood.com/
All he left out was the inflection in "real PO-lice".
Dave common sense has went out the window. The Police should of went in and hauled the folks out blocking there path. And there are many examples of this lift and carry off the peaceful.
Wrong or right, or who believes in or discounts the protest. Peaceful protesters should be treated with respect IMO.
Dogs, spray, taser and other police tools. Will turn against them in the long run IMO.
Americans have pushed back at times in our history. And in the long run they have won. Wonder how the cops that where tools over civil rights feel now. How did folks feel over all after the civil war. OOOO and let us not forget how our once great country was formed. Look at how the government is working now. The Supreme Court, Your local City Conceal.
Folks are getting fed up. And the system does not work. The cops way out is change the laws. But the people have no power over all until they explode. A vote does not count any more. Lobbying politicians does not work. Just look at health care reform. 2/3's of the country was against it as it is. But all agreed something needed to be done. The political's did as they wished.
It's coming. It's going to get bad in the long run.
Give it 5-8 seconds before seeing any visible effect.... I don't agree with using O.C. in this case, however, why turn a less than ideal decision into a poor one by deploying a level one exposure when a level three (area / cross contamination) would have moved them along without direct exposure?
It amazes me the entitlement of today's society. People speak about respect but the police simply wanted to leave, and were content letting the protesters protest. The protesters then falsely imprisoned the officers by refusing to allow them to leave.
I cry no tears. They're disrespectful pukes using the police to get some ambiguous political message across and are happily trying to ruin the career of cops who just wanted to leave.
If the above posts are correct I've lost all respect for them, as they have shown they have none.
From the reports I read - the police vehicles were containing people who had already been arrested. The protestors were blocking the way and refusing to allow police to leave with their arrestee's.
So what do you propose they do once they "pick up and move" these people. Where do they put them, 10 feet away out of the drive so the police vehicles can get by with the arrestee's? Then the protestors come right back and sit right back down. Pushing matches start, people surround police cars with arrestee's inside, etc...
Do they arrest and escort the protestors one by one away? They are being blocked in already from taking out their current arrestee's! You need large buses, transportation needs on standby, large amounts of officers, etc.
So, let's say they had 20-30 officers to deal with this.....go on....tell me how they do it. You start putting people in handcuffs - you need a place to take them! If you are being stopped from leaving - where do you put them. Cuff them up and place them on the grass hoping they don't run away?
You cross a big line when you stop police from leaving the scene with an arrestee and it is a criminal line called obstructing.
All the cops had to do was arrest them and carry them out. Or carry them to the grass. Easy!!!! But to spray them like they were painting curbs was stupid.