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Discussion in 'GSSF' started by DannyR, Oct 24, 2011.
That was fast. Is Frank Bray really an amateur?
Not any more...
He just won 6 divisions?
Actually, only four, as Master Stock and Unlimited do no give separate awards to Amateurs. Still, he cleaned house.
Question, since finals won't be posted for 6-8 weeks yet, will he be able to shoot another match as an amateur in the interim? Say in Piru in 2 weeks?
Inquiring minds want to know.
If he shoots Piru as an amateur, his entries will be changed to Master when the finals are posted.
I didn't see him shoot while I was there, but I have my doubts.
If this is the same guy, then I think he should/would be classified as a Master Shooter.
ETA- if anyone saw him, this is a Frank Bray from youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCuUj2u-wUU&feature=related
Well at least Bryan showed him he couldn't come in and clean house. I think a steel challenge title would classify you as a master.
Would probably take some research to see if Frank falls into a category covered by 170.50, defining 'Master':
3. The competitor has finished in the top 25th
percentile of a non-GSSF major shooting
competition (State-level championship or
above. At least three Master or above shooters
must have shot the same competition against
whom the GSSF members relative performance
can be compared).
Otherwise, only IPSC/USPSA is specifically mentioned.
Interesting. I would think that if you have been classified as a master or won any kind of competition title that would throw you in the Master category with GSSF.
I watched the video, and I didn't see him while I was there.
Kitty, http://steelchallenge.com/match-results/?action=match&indx=395 shows him as 31 of 237 competitors. That puts him in the top 13% of a MAJOR non-GSSF shooting match.
The match was called 2011 World Speed Shooting Championship. Sounds Major to me, look at the list of other shooters- Miculek, Rikaza(sp?), Jarret, Max Michele, Sevigny. Roster leads major as well.
If that is the same Frank Bray, he should not be listed as amatuer; it wouldn't be fair to true amatuers.
Sort of like calling Grady an amateur.
IDPA was specifically REMOVED from the list a couple of years ago. That may be when they re-wrote paragraph 3.
If your research is correct, (which I'm sure it is) it would appear that he should be classified as a GSSF Master. Looking at his shooting, he can probably be found in a high percentile in other major matches as well.
Somone could bring it to the attention of GSSF for their determination.
I have notified GSSF. His Am/Civ entry should be disqualified and his money refunded. All other entries should be changed to "Master" status.
So was it him?
How many Frank Bray - Super Shooters, could there be?
I think it's incumbent on GSSF to do the final research, but that link was the catalyst.
Geez Bama, good detective work, have you ever considered a career in Law Enforcement?
Is Bama really Sherlock Holmes.
Well, as far as master shooters would be concerned should he be bumped up, it looks like he will pick up a gun in Unlimited since Brian Dover appears to have matchmeister for Competition and Eric France gets Master stock. No other categories appear to have enough Masters so that sucks for Yokomachi.
The REALLY happy guy will be Raymond Kondo who will win 3 guns for 1st Am in SubComp, Am Civ, Am Comp.
Welcome to the Master class Raymond.