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Tucson, AZ Prelims are posted

Discussion in 'GSSF' started by DannyR, Oct 24, 2011.

  1. DannyR

    DannyR Moderator Millennium Member

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    That was fast. Is Frank Bray really an amateur?
     
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    Not any more...

    He just won 6 divisions?
     

  3. DannyR

    DannyR Moderator Millennium Member

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    Actually, only four, as Master Stock and Unlimited do no give separate awards to Amateurs. Still, he cleaned house.
     
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    Question, since finals won't be posted for 6-8 weeks yet, will he be able to shoot another match as an amateur in the interim? Say in Piru in 2 weeks?

    Inquiring minds want to know.
     
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    DannyR Moderator Millennium Member

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    If he shoots Piru as an amateur, his entries will be changed to Master when the finals are posted.
     
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    I didn't see him shoot while I was there, but I have my doubts.
     
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    Alexd29 Go Bucks!

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    Well at least Bryan showed him he couldn't come in and clean house. I think a steel challenge title would classify you as a master. :agree:
     
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    Would probably take some research to see if Frank falls into a category covered by 170.50, defining 'Master':

    3. The competitor has finished in the top 25th
    percentile of a non-GSSF major shooting
    competition (State-level championship or
    above. At least three Master or above shooters
    must have shot the same competition against
    whom the GSSF member’s relative performance
    can be compared).


    Otherwise, only IPSC/USPSA is specifically mentioned.
     
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    Interesting. I would think that if you have been classified as a master or won any kind of competition title that would throw you in the Master category with GSSF.

    I watched the video, and I didn't see him while I was there.
     
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    Kitty, http://steelchallenge.com/match-results/?action=match&indx=395 shows him as 31 of 237 competitors. That puts him in the top 13% of a MAJOR non-GSSF shooting match.
    The match was called 2011 World Speed Shooting Championship. Sounds Major to me, look at the list of other shooters- Miculek, Rikaza(sp?), Jarret, Max Michele, Sevigny. Roster leads major as well.

    If that is the same Frank Bray, he should not be listed as amatuer; it wouldn't be fair to true amatuers.
     
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    Sort of like calling Grady an amateur.
     
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    IDPA was specifically REMOVED from the list a couple of years ago. That may be when they re-wrote paragraph 3.
     
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    If your research is correct, (which I'm sure it is) it would appear that he should be classified as a GSSF Master. Looking at his shooting, he can probably be found in a high percentile in other major matches as well.

    Somone could bring it to the attention of GSSF for their determination.
     
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    DannyR Moderator Millennium Member

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    I have notified GSSF. His Am/Civ entry should be disqualified and his money refunded. All other entries should be changed to "Master" status.
     
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    So was it him?
     
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    How many Frank Bray - Super Shooters, could there be?

    I think it's incumbent on GSSF to do the final research, but that link was the catalyst.
     
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    Alexd29 Go Bucks!

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    Geez Bama, good detective work, have you ever considered a career in Law Enforcement? :cop:
     
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    Is Bama really Sherlock Holmes. :upeyes:
     
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    Well, as far as master shooters would be concerned should he be bumped up, it looks like he will pick up a gun in Unlimited since Brian Dover appears to have matchmeister for Competition and Eric France gets Master stock. No other categories appear to have enough Masters:crying: so that sucks for Yokomachi.

    The REALLY happy guy will be Raymond Kondo who will win 3 guns for 1st Am in SubComp, Am Civ, Am Comp.
    Welcome to the Master class Raymond.
     
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