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Trump just killed Obamacare.

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by kiole, Oct 13, 2017.

  1. kiole

    kiole

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    Trump just did away with federal cost sharing subsidies via executive order.
     
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    Ross-in-Pa Western Pa

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  4. kiole

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    Going to be a lot of people dropping their insurance this month.
     
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    ilgunguygt Enslaved in IL

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    And here come the lawsuits.........
     
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    larry_minn Silver Member Millennium Member

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    What does it actually say? Do?
    Is it as suggested allows insurance companies to offer programs for almost reasonable costs with decent service?
    My insurance (almost 50 yrs with same company) name change...
    Obummer took over passed law. Rates jumped, jumped, jumped. Then the cancelled everyone who lived in certain areas. So this last yr my health care insurance bills are nothing. But my coverage is poor. Travel long distance to see correct Dr.
    I lost two family Dr.s to early retirement that said Ocare helped them decide to retire. One does ER work only. Just till his lic expires with no new training, costs. The Hospital (last I heard) was fearing him $$$ and paying for keeping his lic current.
     
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    And that's all it took huh? Sure.
     
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  8. kiole

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    They just removed the incentive for 52% of those using the exchanges to be insured. The average person was receiving 367$ a month toward their insurance premiums. Without being subsidized many will probably give up their insurance policies. The system was on the verge of collapse this will likely finish the marketplace off. That subsidy money was what kept many insurance companies in the exchange. That combined with Trump not enforcing the tax penalty for being uninsured means many will probably give up health insurance for 2018.

    My guess is this will be the death blow for Obamacare unless the states step in and cover the subsidies or a court forces it. Either that or both sides come together and create a bipartisan bill.
     
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    If it goes to SCOTUS, will Roberts betray us again?
     
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    IMG_1030.PNG Since Congress doesn't want to act, Trump may as well do what has to be done. Obummer care is unworkable anyway, without massive cash infusions and a rework. The Dems sit back & will blame any shortcomings on the Republicans anyway, for not shoring it up.

    I may need to get that coffee cup after all.
     
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    If the subsidy checks don’t come next month, I don’t think it matters. People aren’t going to cover the gap while the intricacies and legalities of the laws are fought in court. By then people will have cancelled their policies and the insurance companies on the edge either will be bankrupt or pull out.
     
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    It's odd how the Rinos speak of the deficit when middle class tax cuts are mentioned, but
    not when Obamacare federal subsidies are given to insurance companies.....
     
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    I imagine a lot of health insurance executives woke up this morning saying [​IMG]
     
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    President Trump was trying to dismantle ocare gently. The last attempt would have given congress 2 years to come up with a plan to migrate it smoothly. When they failed to pass the bill; Trump went for the disruptive option.

    This will accomplish the same thing; but with a larger fire. Cut the cost sharing, and people drop out of policies, exchanges dry up, and insurance companies will have to bring something to the table. It's amazing that they (insurance companies) were able to do business before ocare WITHOUT the subsidies.

    Mess with the bull; get the horns.
     
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    Reggie is in for a rough night tonight.
     
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    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    Can I still keep my plan if I like my plan?
     
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    Democrat inspired use of the bully pulpit.

    RIP, Obamacare! (not likely, let the outrage begin!)
     
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    Not exactly. I wondered how Trump could so easily stop the payments. Well I found, because Congress never appropriated money for them. Normally that prevents paying. (And why the founders put money bills in the House.) But Barack,, being above the law had money transferred from other budgets to make the payments. And of course there was a lawsuit.

    AND THE FEDERAL COURTS ORDERED THE PAYMENTS CEASE. But Barack, being above the law......continued them.

    Why did it not happen in say February? Because Trump thought Congress would repeal and replace.

    So...for the courts to order that the government make payments already found illegal because they were done in defiance of the Congress is a stretch. Even today.