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Trump has extended social distancing timeline until April 30

  1. Don't have a link but on the TV right now.

    He says peak won't come for two more weeks.
     
  2. Until April 30th according to the Fox News ticker.
     
  3. Beg your pardon, a typo on my part and I will correct.

    Thanks for the heads up !
     
  4. Social distancing until the 30th.

    Peak in two weeks.

    Two separate things.

    That's what I think I heard anyway.

    Regards,
    Happyguy.:)
     
  5. Mrs Pugman this does not apply to you.
     
  6. I really don't have a hope for a peak in two weeks.
     
  7. Introverts do it best!
     
  8. Trying to remember if Fonzy had his leather jacket on, when he jumped the shark. Or was it a life jacket..?
     
  9. This stuff isn’t going to burn out for months.
     
  10. This just came out last night,

    This study presents the first set of estimates of predicted health service utilization and deaths due to COVID-19 by day for the next 4 months for each state in the US. Peaks seem to be about mid April as things stand now. Certainly many assumptions had to be made.
    Current prediction is for 81,000 U.S. deaths thru August 2020

    http://www.healthdata.org/research-...-bed-days-icu-days-ventilator-days-and-deaths

    This page has drop-down boxes for state predictions for estimated peak, icu/regular beds available/needed, ventilator cases and deaths

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
     
  11. So, the 2 week shut down wasn't enough. Now we are looking at six weeks. Small business, as well as large business will not survive well for that long.
    People won't comply for that long either.
    Remember, the Democrats are making plans on how to run the election under these mandates. Think they don't already have plans?
     
  12. No worries. We are all in this mess together!!
    Be safe.
     
  13. 3% of restaurants have shut down for good, likely they were marginal before.
    If this lasts a month, another 11% said they will shut down. According to the National Restaurant Assoc.
     
  14. I think the President made the right decision. There are just too many unknowns going on with this virus.
     
  15. We shouldn't be shutting down the economy over unknowns.
     
  16. Yes, we should not be listening to the worlds smartest doctors/scientists. We should not be learning from other countries. We should listen to Gundude
     
  17. If we continue doing what we are currently doing, we will lose 40k to 200k from this virus.

    If we stop doing what we are currently doing it will be substantially more.

    Those are the knowns.

    Regards,
    Happyguy :)
     
  18. I assume that you are upset with the President because he hasn't asked you for your opinion on this virus.
     
  19. We will do what ever is necessary to defeat the Chi-com flu. Can't give up now, stick together and get it done.
     
  20. You sound just like the climate change pushers. You probably sincerely think science and medicine are unconnected to politics. They're not.
     
  21. I didn't say I was upset with the President. I said we shouldn't be shutting down the economy based on unknowns. I don't know that that's what he's doing, the comment was addressed to somebody who suggested it was the unknowns that made it prudent to extend the shutdown.
     
  22. Welp, looks like Monday will be another buying opportunity in the market...I feel for the small business owners who are getting hammered in this, but I also don't want to see us in the same boat as China, Italy or Spain. I'm game for inconvenience. I don't want to lose loved ones or friends for stupidity. The market will come back and the businesses that are lost will create opportunity for others. Darwinism - I'm not sure this isn't Mother Nature trying to catch up...
     
  23. Im confused on what is unknown? Are you not seeing what is happening all over the world?
     
  24. No, I'm hearing about it from the MSM.
     
  25. The deniers will all say this is too much.

    Those who are trying to panic the country will say this is not doing enough.

    Trump continues to consult with experts, takes their advice into consideration, and makes decisions.

    Thank God for President Trump. I trust him to guide us through this.
     
  26. If people returned to quasi normal life now or by Easter, the result would likely be catastrophic. I don’t need to be a scientist to figure that out.
     
  27. I trust him more than any president in my lifetime to want to make the best decision for Americans. I'm not certain he has the support and capacity to do so.
     
  28. He had one on over his jacket.
     
  29. What if, just spitballing here, all the governments (local, state, federal) threw all their resources at shoring up the health care system instead of paying for the damage they're doing to the economy through their edicts. So, instead of "flattening the curve", just raise the line of where the health care system gets overwhelmed, so it doesn't get overwhelmed. Remember "flattening the curve" doesn't reduce the number of infections, it just spreads them out over a longer period of time. If we voluntarily exercise increased caution, and send massive resources (although far less than 2.5 trillion dollars worth) to shore up the health care system, we'll get the infections out of the way earlier, build up herd immunity sooner, and live reasonably normal lives while we're doing it.

    Of course, the scientists who suggest such a thing are quacks and hacks, just like those who say we don't need to abolish airplanes, gas cars, farting cows and coal power plants in order for our planet to survive longer than 12 more years.
     
  30. They're an optimistic bunch there at healthdata.org. They project 36 deaths in CT by 4/10.

    We hit 34 today.
     
  31. That's one of the "unknowns", I guess. Who knew CT was so close to NYC?

    That's why those models need to be taken with more than a few grains of salt.
     
  32. Some thought about motivation and encouragement.
    Word choice and implication.
    Herd immunity. I find that vague and somewhat of a buzz kill downer language word choice.

    When I first heard that term " herd immunity" I thought what is that? It became apparent that once a sufficient portion of the population was immune due to primarily surviving the infection the infection chain would be broken.

    However primarily by letting to run unhindered . Result in those worst case exponential infection.
    But at what cost, how many dead or severely disabled?

    Rather than herd immunity, the mitigating methods are used to flatten the curve are used.
    "
    Break the chain"

    How about instead "flatten the curve as the goal, instead think "break the chain".

    The chain being infection virus passed from person to person to the next person.

    Methods similar but motivation is different.

    Isolation. Then no possible infection of others.
    Sanitization. Disinfect surfaces surroundings such that the virus is not transmitted.
    Barriers. Face masks gloves etc.
    These are the methods of flatten the curve.
    If focused on the goal of breaking the chain may be more motivational and more successful.

    In my opinion Break the chain phrase is more intuiative and even instructive, helps motivate and encourage people to act .

    Herd immunity is dehumanizing and reduces to extensive death and disability.
     
  33. Depends on how many the health care system can handle. One would assume that people who are prone to dying from this infection, because they have one or more of the oft-mentioned health conditions, will isolate themselves. One would assume healthy people who get infected will stay away from hospitals until it's absolutely necessary. One would assume a portion of the population would wear masks and gloves voluntarily, if they were available to them. That's just self-interest, and that'll break the chain naturally, voluntarily.

    We don't need to kill the economy to do any of this. We need to provide people with the tools they need to voluntarily act in their own self-interest and voluntarily act in the interest of their community if they so desire. The government could've provided these tools at a fraction of the 2.5 trillion dollars it spent paying for the damage it did by forcing people to abandon their lives.
     
  34. I am not saying to kill the economy. I am advocating everyone enhance their actions to minimize transmission.

    Hence think of it in terms of breaking the chain.

    Best is to avoid catching it. How to do that is a combination of methods executed correctly all the time. Big help is to have a more positive motivational outlook.
     
  35. But that's not what we did. That's the frustrating part. Instead of giving guidance to people and allowing them to make their own decisions for their own health, we forced businesses to not give people the option. Businesses would have adapted, if they had to, to the new reality of people not wanting to be as close to others as they used to for awhile. Perseverance, self-interest and creativity, the cornerstones of capitalism, would've powered us through if we were left to our own devices. But we didn't get that option. Government overreach crashed a perfectly good economy, and unfortunately most of the people loved it, because it forced those who had the opportunity to make the best of it down to the level of those who were paralyzed by fear. It made us all equal. You know, like socialism does, and Americans love it.
     
  36. This is a forum so without face to face communication somethings get missed.

    I was not intending to imply anything other than what I found to be a more motivating way to think about what actions to take .
     
  37. One thing is for sure, the only way to save this economy at this point is to bring manufacturing back from China. We are no longer a service economy. We can do our part by politely informing the businesses we have patronized for the last 30 years to buy American goods and/or make American products or we will cease doing business with them no matter how painful it may be.
     
  38. 4 days ago Trump hoped US would be back open for business in 2 weeks. This is moving too fast, almost any prediction expires in 48 hrs.
     
  39. Mathematics is not an unknown.
     
  40. Almost every prediction by everyone has been an underestimate.
     
  41. Second laugh of the day!
     
  42. Ok. So, the question becomes, what are the "knowns" that would cause you to shut down the economy, hypothetically? You are now the chief.

    The next question would be what are the "unknowns" that you would require to be "knowns" that would cause you to shut down the economy, hypothetically? You are now the chief.

    I think it would be enlightening to learn what would cause you, as chief, to shut down the economy. And, now that many parts are shutdown, what would you HAVE to know to remove restrictions? And, what would be the order or relaxing or eliminating restrictions?
     
  43. I'm wondering if this is going to be the new norm.? Are we going through this again next year and every year hereafter? There's some kink of epidemic every year.
     
  44. I know he HATE'S to back down or admit to being wrong, it's his nature. I do admire him for overcoming that and doing what's best for the country.
     
  45. Hopefully not. Apparently they covird-19 has unique characteristics regarding transmit mechanism and variation in severity.
    Beside mitigation measures. Treatment and vaccine development hopefully are on fast track parallel development.
     
  46. I believe he has known from the beginning how bad this was going to be and there is absolutely nothing anyone could do about it. The plan is is to slowly ramp up the information as to avoid a panic which would multiply the devastation of this plague.
     
  47. Yup he totally knew. That's why he said it was Democratic hoax and totally under control.


    https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/fqqofu/senator_says_white_house_turned_down_emergency/

    • January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

    • February 2: “Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China. … We can’t have thousands of people coming in who may have this problem, the coronavirus. So we’re gonna see what happens, but we did shut it down, yes.”

    • February 14: “We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape.”

    • February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

    • February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

    • February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

    • February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

    • February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

    • February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

    • February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

    • February 28: “Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that, right? Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa.” “They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.”

    • March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

    • March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

    • March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

    • March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

    • March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

    • March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

    • March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

    • March 6: "You know, my uncle was a great person. He was at MIT. He taught at MIT for, I think, like a record number of years. He was a great super genius. Dr. John Trump. I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, 'How do you know so much about this? ' Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president."

    • March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”

    • March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”

    • March 9: “This blindsided the world.”

    • March 9: "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant.”

    • March 9: “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”

    • March 10: "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."

    • March 11: "This is the most aggressive and comprehensive effort to confront a foreign virus in modern history."

    • March 13: "Today I am officially declaring a national emergency. Two very big words."

    • March 13: “I don't take responsibility at all”

    • March 13: "For decades the @CDCgov looked at, and studied, its testing system, but did nothing about it. It would always be inadequate and slow for a large scale pandemic, but a pandemic would never happen, they hoped. President Obama made changes that only complicated things further"

    • March 14: "SOCIAL DISTANCING!"

    • March 15: "TODAY IS A NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER. GOD BLESS EVERYONE!"

    • March 15: “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.”

    • March 16: “If you’re talking about the virus, no, that’s not under control for any place in the world. ... I was talking about what we’re doing is under control, but I’m not talking about the virus."

    • March 16: "I'd rate it a 10" (in response to how he rate his handling of the situation)

    • March 17: “I’ve always known this is a real—this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”
     
  48. I'll be 74 on that day - a day to mark for TWO reasons now.
     
  49. It may not prove to be seasonal at all.

    My guess is it will be the norm until we have an effective vaccine and it has been distributed and administered to at least 75% of the population. We are told such a vaccine is likely twelve to eighteen months away.

    2020-2021 gonna be known in the history books as "The Lost Years."
     
  50. Understood. I'm not disputing anything you said, just quoting bits of it that are relevant to my points.