Trump has extended social distancing timeline until April 30

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  1. Gundude

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    I didn't say I was upset with the President. I said we shouldn't be shutting down the economy based on unknowns. I don't know that that's what he's doing, the comment was addressed to somebody who suggested it was the unknowns that made it prudent to extend the shutdown.
     
  2. kiser64

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    Welp, looks like Monday will be another buying opportunity in the market...I feel for the small business owners who are getting hammered in this, but I also don't want to see us in the same boat as China, Italy or Spain. I'm game for inconvenience. I don't want to lose loved ones or friends for stupidity. The market will come back and the businesses that are lost will create opportunity for others. Darwinism - I'm not sure this isn't Mother Nature trying to catch up...
     

  3. huskerNdave

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    Im confused on what is unknown? Are you not seeing what is happening all over the world?
     
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  4. Gundude

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    No, I'm hearing about it from the MSM.
     
  5. thewitt

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    The deniers will all say this is too much.

    Those who are trying to panic the country will say this is not doing enough.

    Trump continues to consult with experts, takes their advice into consideration, and makes decisions.

    Thank God for President Trump. I trust him to guide us through this.
     
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    If people returned to quasi normal life now or by Easter, the result would likely be catastrophic. I don’t need to be a scientist to figure that out.
     
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  7. Gundude

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    I trust him more than any president in my lifetime to want to make the best decision for Americans. I'm not certain he has the support and capacity to do so.
     
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    He had one on over his jacket.
     
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  9. Gundude

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    What if, just spitballing here, all the governments (local, state, federal) threw all their resources at shoring up the health care system instead of paying for the damage they're doing to the economy through their edicts. So, instead of "flattening the curve", just raise the line of where the health care system gets overwhelmed, so it doesn't get overwhelmed. Remember "flattening the curve" doesn't reduce the number of infections, it just spreads them out over a longer period of time. If we voluntarily exercise increased caution, and send massive resources (although far less than 2.5 trillion dollars worth) to shore up the health care system, we'll get the infections out of the way earlier, build up herd immunity sooner, and live reasonably normal lives while we're doing it.

    Of course, the scientists who suggest such a thing are quacks and hacks, just like those who say we don't need to abolish airplanes, gas cars, farting cows and coal power plants in order for our planet to survive longer than 12 more years.
     
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    They're an optimistic bunch there at healthdata.org. They project 36 deaths in CT by 4/10.

    We hit 34 today.
     
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  11. Gundude

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    That's one of the "unknowns", I guess. Who knew CT was so close to NYC?

    That's why those models need to be taken with more than a few grains of salt.
     
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    Some thought about motivation and encouragement.
    Word choice and implication.
    Herd immunity. I find that vague and somewhat of a buzz kill downer language word choice.

    When I first heard that term " herd immunity" I thought what is that? It became apparent that once a sufficient portion of the population was immune due to primarily surviving the infection the infection chain would be broken.

    However primarily by letting to run unhindered . Result in those worst case exponential infection.
    But at what cost, how many dead or severely disabled?

    Rather than herd immunity, the mitigating methods are used to flatten the curve are used.
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    Break the chain"

    How about instead "flatten the curve as the goal, instead think "break the chain".

    The chain being infection virus passed from person to person to the next person.

    Methods similar but motivation is different.

    Isolation. Then no possible infection of others.
    Sanitization. Disinfect surfaces surroundings such that the virus is not transmitted.
    Barriers. Face masks gloves etc.
    These are the methods of flatten the curve.
    If focused on the goal of breaking the chain may be more motivational and more successful.

    In my opinion Break the chain phrase is more intuiative and even instructive, helps motivate and encourage people to act .

    Herd immunity is dehumanizing and reduces to extensive death and disability.
     
  13. Gundude

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    Depends on how many the health care system can handle. One would assume that people who are prone to dying from this infection, because they have one or more of the oft-mentioned health conditions, will isolate themselves. One would assume healthy people who get infected will stay away from hospitals until it's absolutely necessary. One would assume a portion of the population would wear masks and gloves voluntarily, if they were available to them. That's just self-interest, and that'll break the chain naturally, voluntarily.

    We don't need to kill the economy to do any of this. We need to provide people with the tools they need to voluntarily act in their own self-interest and voluntarily act in the interest of their community if they so desire. The government could've provided these tools at a fraction of the 2.5 trillion dollars it spent paying for the damage it did by forcing people to abandon their lives.
     
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  14. OttoLoader

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    I am not saying to kill the economy. I am advocating everyone enhance their actions to minimize transmission.

    Hence think of it in terms of breaking the chain.

    Best is to avoid catching it. How to do that is a combination of methods executed correctly all the time. Big help is to have a more positive motivational outlook.
     
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    But that's not what we did. That's the frustrating part. Instead of giving guidance to people and allowing them to make their own decisions for their own health, we forced businesses to not give people the option. Businesses would have adapted, if they had to, to the new reality of people not wanting to be as close to others as they used to for awhile. Perseverance, self-interest and creativity, the cornerstones of capitalism, would've powered us through if we were left to our own devices. But we didn't get that option. Government overreach crashed a perfectly good economy, and unfortunately most of the people loved it, because it forced those who had the opportunity to make the best of it down to the level of those who were paralyzed by fear. It made us all equal. You know, like socialism does, and Americans love it.
     
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    This is a forum so without face to face communication somethings get missed.

    I was not intending to imply anything other than what I found to be a more motivating way to think about what actions to take .
     
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    One thing is for sure, the only way to save this economy at this point is to bring manufacturing back from China. We are no longer a service economy. We can do our part by politely informing the businesses we have patronized for the last 30 years to buy American goods and/or make American products or we will cease doing business with them no matter how painful it may be.
     
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    4 days ago Trump hoped US would be back open for business in 2 weeks. This is moving too fast, almost any prediction expires in 48 hrs.
     
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    Mathematics is not an unknown.
     
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    Almost every prediction by everyone has been an underestimate.