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To Me, This Poll Is Proof That We Are A Greedy, Selfish, And Senseless Lot

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Carrys, Jul 1, 2011.

  1. Carrys

    Carrys Inquisitive

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    In a poll concerning a balanced budget amendment, a full 72% of people want one while only 20% oppose it.

    That's the good news, not that the Washington crowd will listen me thinks. But when asked about it if it would require "cuts" in entitlement programs, 64% opposed it and only 31% favored it. About the same if it would require higher taxes, 62% oppose and 31% favor.

    Can't say I blame anyone when it comes to higher taxes. A rise in taxes isn't necessary for such a thing, just not. And it seems most folks get that. They want a cut in spending, unless it's spent on them. **sigh**


    But that, "Don't ever cut benefits, for any reason" group, appears that's even larger than the number of people making a living off those of us who do pay for everything. That tells me most folks either don't understand things (which I think they actually do) or they just want their slice of the pie, no matter who pays for it and what it will do to the Country. In other words, greedy until the end. And that end is fast approaching.


    I often hear, "By God I've paid in and I expect to get mine!" out of some of the greedier folks out there. Never mind that the average benefit collector draws about 2/3 more in benefits over a lifetime than they "paid in". Funny how that doesn't seem to be something they like or want to discuss much.





    I see a lot of, "Do whatever it takes to right the economy and Country....and do it now! Just make sure you do it to the other guy and not me, eh?", coming from people who like to act as if they want things to turn out right. Just as long as they don't have to be the ones effected in any way.

    I used to think "they" were destroying America. But now I know, it's actually us. We're not just asking for it, we're demanding it.




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    Oops, forgot the link.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/30/fox-news-poll-economy-and-debt-limit-negotiations/
     
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  2. Mister_Beefy

    Mister_Beefy Legal & Proper

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    invest in ammunition
     

  3. Shadyscott69

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    The problems we face today are there, because the people who work for a living, are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.
     
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  4. xray678

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    That's it in a nutshell.
     
  5. Carrys

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    Yeah, I think we've all pretty much got that by now.

    I'm looking for solutions now sir, real and workable solutions. I've seen a few that strike me as workable, I just don't see how we'll ever be able to implement them if everyone's so greedy and worried about, "getting mine!" instead of doing what's truly necessary. It's as if they don't care if the Country goes **** up...............as long as they go out with all they can get.

    Do they honestly not understand it will all come crashing down on them if something doesn't change? Have they been so brainwashed into thinking their "due" or "owed" something when they really aren't? That they just have to sell their soul.....and vote, just so they can have...... more. More what? Are people, even people who like to think they're better/different than the welfare class they harp about all day, so intent on making certain they get all they can from another as the Country falls down around them? Yep, I'm talking about the welfare seniors. That, "I've paid in and I'll collect by golly!" excuse doesn't work with me any more. Especially considering they'll collect two thirds more than they ever "paid in" on average.

    What's it matter if one drags in all they can, only to have it all end soon? That's not a different ideology, a different outlook, or just a difference of opinion.......that sir is just plain old greedy and stupid.
     
  6. Ronaldo

    Ronaldo Ancient Member Millennium Member

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    Let's hear the song you sing when you are one of those old folks, all your savings and investments went to **** thanks to Soros and that crowd and all you have to live on is 'entitlements'.

    There are two sides to this story. I don't know where you are getting your figures, but I know exactly how much I paid in and I seriously doubt that I'll live long enough to see half of it back.

    Ronaldo, who actually worked for a living...
     
  7. Naelbis

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    It has been shown over and over that the public favors cuts to balance the budget. The problem is they only want cuts that don't effect them. When it comes time to suck it up and take the hits no group wants to step up. And that is why we are doomed. Esp since the majority of federal entitlements are paid to seniors, and seniors make up the majority of active voters. And they will neverconsent to cuts or changes even though as a demographic they have the most wealth.
     
  8. engineer151515

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    The "I expect to get mine" crowd will get everything the .gov promised.

    But the joke is on them. What they receive is being purposely devalued by the .gov.

    Ultimately, what they "get" won't be worth but a fraction of what they thought they would get.

    It's a way of "taxing" everyone but, in the end, you will still get Greek style protests.

    Coming soon to a country near you.
     
  9. RayB

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    People that have played by the rules see too much wastage and too many blatant examples of abuse to readily accept cuts to their own piece of the pie.

    Don't even attempt to tell me that fund sources are unconnected, since there is now and never was an actual Social Security Trust. Government has readily plundered our tax dollars from one big, poorly accounted for, kitty.

    High profile news stories, like Wisconsin's Teacher's and Public Employee's union telling our governor to pee-off (which they initially did do) when he asked them to bear some of the cost of their own pensions, and a little more of their upward spiraling healthcare costs, have not helped this perception.

    The fact that congress said "Hell no!" to ObamaCare when it was being rammed down the rest of our throats, and the waivers issued to their pet unions, fuel the resentment too.

    It goes from academic to a real-world exercise, when you choose burgers over steaks, but the welfare mama or illegal immigrant family in front of you with a state debit card, is buying premium groceries while yammering away on a high-end cell phone.

    I see congress just gave all their aids a nice pay bump...

    Did you know many congressional members and their aids have their student loans forgiven? Well, they do...

    And it's a fact that Federal workers earn about twice what comparable private sector workers do.

    Federal workers earning double their private counterparts

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/income/2010-08-10-1Afedpay10_ST_N.htm

    And the struggling US Postal Service, always looking to raise rates and fees, borrows money at special government rates, while continuing to pay out more to well-compensated retirees than it does to active employees.

    Then there's the whole GM bailout! Yeah, let the tax payer cover the 40K per year retirement of some forklift driver--plus his and his wife's Cadillac health insurance! The American people had no covenant with General Motors and its employees and retirees...

    Yeah, people are pissed off! :steamed:

    Can you blame them? :dunno:

    They’ve had it! :fist:

    --Ray
     
  10. Mushinto

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    Who's greedy?

    It sounds like you just don't want to pay your bills.

    Who's us?

    Don't those people on SS work?
     
  11. alba666

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    That reminds me - I need to order some more HST! :wavey:

    Seriously, entitlement mentality is an addiction.

    An example: Tornado made a rental property I own unlivable, but tenants lost nothing and neither had job impact. They run to FEMA and get about $30k in freebies, break their lease and leave my property with about $8k of damage. I hold their deposit. What do they do? Hire a skanky lawyer and saber-rattle about suing me.

    They cashed in big time with FEMA, but that wasn't enough. I was being unfair to their two rug rats not giving them their deposit back. They needed the addicts fix of another freebie while sticking to the evil landlord. He works for UofA. She works for the State in child welfare and wears the pants in the family. They already went through bankruptcy last year. Just working the system like they have been taught by the Great Society.
     
  12. Toorop

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    Cut the following:

    Farm subsidies
    Medicare / Medicaid completely (None at all! Get your own insurance and benefits!)
    Welfare and Section 8
    Military Benefits for family and housing
    Federal Employee Benefits
    Cut the DOT, EPA, FBI, CIA, NSA, FDA, DOA, FCC, DOE, DO Education, and other government agencies, ICE, TSA, USCBP, FAA, FCC, ATF, Coast Guard, and other useless agencies.
    Cut defense spending in half,
    Cut military and other government contacts.

    These things need to be done.
     
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    And we need to raise taxes to start paying the deficit. Also forgot to add cut all social security as it is a wasteful entitlement program and the definition of socialism, which is never the answer. People should have saved for their retirements and prepared ahead of time. It is not my fault if they did not save and plan properly for their retirements.

    These things need to be done.
     
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  14. Brian Lee

    Brian Lee Drop those nuts

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    Most people, even liberals, are in favor of fiscal responsibility, as long as it's everyone else supplying the funds it takes to "be responsible".
     
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    This poll merely confirms what mankind has known about his own nature for millennia, and what most of us have know since we were 12 years old. Greed and complacency has been killing successful societies for a long time. I see no compelling evidence that would lead me to believe we have learned anything new about how to actually apply altruistic intent to the task of societal organization for any meaningful length of time. The amplitude of the pendulum that swings between greed and moderation just gets progressively smaller the more technically adept we become. What exactly is new?
     
  16. american lockpicker

    american lockpicker License to Il

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    I don't know the ones in bold are useful.
     
  17. Toorop

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    They aren't. Those agencies are not needed at all!

    The first thing we need to do is cut Medicare and Medicaid. Then military salaries dnd benefits as well as defense spending. Then fhe smaller expenditures next. Imagine if we privatized all of the nations highways and roads. Then people who don't use the won't have to pay for them. Not to mention the corporations that lease them will not only be more efficient but will make more profit and then we can see trickle down theory in action. We will cut their taxes and raise taxes on the middle and lower classes. It would save our failing economy.
     
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    When more than half of the population is receiving gov handouts, what do you expect? It's all by design.

    PS. Social Security Retirement is a Ponzi scheme. Spin it all you want in the name of "social justice" or whatever, it is what it is.
     
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    Unfortunately I think it might have to descend to mass violence for real change to happen.

    I think you should have to pass a citizenship and intelligence test before you are allowed to vote.
     
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    At least the highways are already largely funded by the users. Don't want to pay toward them, don't buy fuel to drive on them. Locally farm diesel fuel (died) is about 40 cents/gallon less than highway diesel because of taxes.