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To increase "TEAM" participation...

Discussion in 'GSSF' started by Rikki, Sep 8, 2004.

  1. Rikki

    Rikki Pathetic Loser

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    Well, been awhile, but the best I can come up with is this...
    I believe the idea of starting a thread here to get shooters to "team up" before heading off to shoots is an excellent idea...
    I been hoggin' the computer here in the waiting room.
    I think GLOCK could probably give us the exact numbers, but from gleaning past "ROLLCALL" posts and ruining my eyes looking at past results pages, we here at GLOCKTALK make up between 7-30 % of the participants of any given shoot...
    In addition to the "team-up" thread I'd like to suggest...

    That Glock take the top 3 finishers THAT ARE NOT ON A TEAM in AmC and the top 3 in AmG and enter those 6 shooter's scores in Master Stock as 2 respective teams...that's it...
    I believe that this will benefit the program by...

    Increasing awarness of the "Team" concept.When you sign in you hear "if you're NOT on a team and finish in the top 3...yada yada yada..."

    Guarantee Team Sidearmor, Carver, etal... competition at every shoot.No-one wants to be "awarded 1st place"... the existing teams would have to outshoot 2 other teams every time...

    IF the AmC or AmG team would win- after recieving the announcement,perhaps [they] would form a team and continue on.

    This would need GSSF's attention and approval, perhaps to be tried on a trial basis for a shoot or two...we'd be asking Glock to eat the 2X10$ fee, but the benefits of ensuring competition in MS team competition might be worth it????

    That's the best I can offer up...maybe you guys can fine tune it and make it work????
     
  2. driver8m3

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    whats the fee $$ for? forming a team is free.

    i dont really like the idea of "assigning" teams...especially from a group that didnt even shoot in a particular division.

    if the assigned team came in 1st, wouldnt they simply be getting "awarded 1st place" since they didnt even shoot in master stock?
     

  3. DannyR

    DannyR Moderator Millennium Member

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    Who would get the plaque on an assigned team?

    What name would be given the assigned team?

    It's best left to individuals to form their own teams. It takes effort, yes, but I've been making that effort for over four years to come up with teams for Team Sidearmor. If little old me can do it, anyone can do it.;)
     
  4. Don At PC

    Don At PC Senior Member Millennium Member

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    RIKKI; Let me first say that I appreciate you putting thought into ways of getting more team participation. I think that the added comments made recently should help generate more teams. Having said that I must agree with the comments of Driver8M3 and DannyR. I honestly feel that folks interested in forming a team should do it themselves, merely taking the top 3 in AmCiv and AmG that are not already on a team would be opening up a totally unworkable can of worms. Everyone I know who is on a team would "Welcome" any new or old competition that wants to participate but to be a true team the folks really need to want to do it and work all the details out amoung themselves. It isn't hard but requires individual attention.
     
  5. WIG19

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    The whole thing seems to this enthusiastic newbie as a way to have a little more fun, foster camaraderie, etc. To me that lends itself to the spirit of GSSF unless I've missed something.

    Accordingly, Rikki's spark coupled with Danny's challenge will make me contact a couple of other Wisconsin shooters who I know go to Oakdale. (The WI IDPA folks fielded 3 teams at Oakdale this year.)

    So.... I'll contact them to see if maybe we shouldn't put a team or two together for Oakdale '05 and have some Badgers at a Gopher-eating party. Don't get me wrong - my MN friends are gentlemen all and have been very kind. They didn't even close the checkpoints down at the St.Croix River. But they wear that red shirt too (really, a WI color) so maybe myself & a couple of acquaintances can make things interesting.

    With people I already know, seems like lots of fun; with marriage-brokering, sorry. ;f
     
  6. Rikki

    Rikki Pathetic Loser

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    ughhhhh....I knew better....
    Q...if the assigned team came in 1st, wouldnt they simply be getting "awarded 1st place" since they didnt even shoot in master stock?
    A...they shoot the same course of fire...the fact their score was higher is NOT insignificant...it's just math(addition)and moving numbers from one page to another.

    Q....whats the fee $$ for? forming a team is free.
    A....I thought there was a 10$ entryfee per team...sorry!

    Q...Who would get the plaque on an assigned team?
    A...Top shooter...rest can buy their own...if you're into buying your own awards...

    Q....What name would be given the assigned team?
    A..I dunno, how 'bout (fill blank with) "location" then add "AmC" or "AmG"????

    S....It takes effort, yes, but I've been making that effort for over four years to come up with teams for Team Sidearmor. If little old me can do it, anyone can do it.
    R...Yes,but somebody wanted to get more shooters in the team deal,wanted some ideas and this was my best effort...

    S...I honestly feel that folks interested in forming a team should do it themselves, merely taking the top 3 in AmCiv and AmG that are not already on a team would be opening up a totally unworkable can of worms
    R....I don't understand "totally unworkable"...hey, it could be done to every shoot Glock's ever had...it's just math... you can go back right now and see how it would have worked...now that parachute/solar explorer/helicopter gig..THAT was totally unworkable, today anyway...

    S....work all the details out amoung themselves.
    R..what details? just add up the scores and put 'em in the mix....

    OK...look...I read and then re-read my original post,and I can't see that it's warranting all this negative press..jeez, not one poster thinks it'll work...guess I'm an idiot.
     
  7. LoveGlocks

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    Rikki -

    As always, when one takes an effort like you have done to propose new idea(s) and possible solution(s), you should immediately take pride that you have given it a good attempt!

    One needs to understand that feedback will come and the people giving feedback do appreciate your efforts but it might not come out explicitly... their first reaction is to evaluate and "talk out loud" what your proposals mean and how they can be implemented.

    Let the dust settle... take the comments as positive feedback on helping you with evaluating the proposal and perhaps a leveraged solution will come out due to it!

    Even if the final conclusion is that it may not be fully implementable as you have laid it out, that we continue status quo, that is okay... give yourself credit for trying.

    I for one, appreciate your efforts and I am certain all your fellow GT'ers and GSSF'r do as well.

    Thanks,
    LG
     
  8. driver8m3

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    just giving you my opinion. maybe the next hundred people will love your idea.

    maybe you should have asked for only positive feedback if thats all you wanted.
     
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    Not knocking your idea by any means. I know you put forth the effort to try and increase team competition and participation and the idea could be workable I think. My question is what would happen if any of the top 3 finishers in AC or AG were already part of a team? Would you just take the top 3 finishers not already on a team?

    Mike
     
  10. glockess56

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    This could be workable. You could ask people on the application if they would like to be included on a team for team standings. If yes, then they would be included. Some people are already on teams, so however they place, you would have to go down the line and get the available ones who desire to be on a team on one. Then, it is possible to get more team results. Or, use the Lewis system and get teams in A B and C. Whoever would get the plaque could be determined later. Although most sports each individual gets an award on the team. The entire women's softball or soccer team got gold medals, not just one representing the team.

    The idea does sound workable, but it will take a lot of work to work out the "bugs" in it. It's great, though, that people are thinking of different ideas to get more participation, especially from teams. People should be commended for coming up with ideas. This is what makes for great competition is people's ideas!;d ;d ;d
     
  11. DannyR

    DannyR Moderator Millennium Member

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    Everything suggested so far requires additional work and research for the GSSF staff at and after each match.

    1. You are asking GSSF to fill out a team registration form.

    2. You are asking GSSF to determine non-team members.

    3. You are asking GSSF to name the team

    4. You are asking GSSF to look up and fill in the address of the person receiving a plaque.

    5. You are asking GSSF to make an artificial team of strangers that perhaps places higher than a good old fashioned team of friends.

    Just encourage folks to team up on their own.
     
  12. Don At PC

    Don At PC Senior Member Millennium Member

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    I just repeat my previous thought. All the team members I know would welcome the competition of any new team. However the bottom line is IF you want to participate as a team then it should be Your responsibility to form that team. Don't burden an already over worked GSSF Staff by asking them to do the work for you. It's fun to shoot as a team and it doesn't cost any more to shoot on a team. So I still feel it's up to the individuals to form their own teams. :soap:

    I appreciate all the thoughts that have been thrown out and I particulary appreciate RIKKI racking his brain trying to spur additional interest. My post is not meant as a flame to any of their thoughts but just my personal feelings on the subject.
     
  13. DannyR

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    How to increase team participation, or at least my suggestion.

    Amateur Civilian Category: Ask a friend or two to go to the match with you and fill out a team entry form. It's easy. The form is even available in advance at www.gssfonline.com and it's free. Might even get your local range or store to sponsor you. A friend of mine successfully solicited sponsorship from his employer.

    Amateur Guardian: Members of host ranges should contact all L.E. agencies and invite them to submit teams for local bragging rights. If a match were to be held in the Roanoke Valley, I personally would challange Roanoke City Police, Roanoke City Sheriff's Department, those in Roanoke County, Bedford County, Montgomery County, Botetourt County, Bedford City, Lynchburg, Christiansburg, Blacksburg, etc.. Get the idea.

    Master Stock: M/S Shooters wishing to form teams should contact other M/S shooters in their region and form a team to represent their region, such as GlockTalk--Ohio, GlockTalk--PA., Glocktalk--Northeast, etc. I admit it is more difficult to field a team of Master shooters because they come from shuch great distances to shoot a match, and there are fewer of them at a match.

    If you desire more plaques to be awarded, be prepared to suggest GSSF charge a team entry fee, which may have an adverse effect on the number of team entries. If I had to pay $10.00 per team, I might have to pull back from 40 team entries per year.

    Bottom line is that any three shooters can band together for a team, but it should be their effort to do so.

    I certainly welcome more team entries.
    -Danny Ryan
     
  14. Fireglock

    Fireglock Which is worse?

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    Increasing interest in teams and making up teams are two different things. According to the current rules teams can be formed anytime before or after shooting until the end of the match. Once the match shuts down, no new teams, so to assign teams during scoring would require a rules change.

    Rikki and LoveGlocks have good intentions. Assigning teams won't increase participation as the goal seems to be, it only increases the number of teams. Meeting up with folks you know or have met, posting to ask if anybody wants to shoot on a team are good ways to form a team, at least on the east coast.

    I truthfully suspect that it going to take more than the current plaque to stimulate an increase in participation in teams. I doubt that's a priority for Chris and crew right now.
     
  15. Sniper 7.62

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    Well said FireGlock, if you shoot on a team and you win 1-3 you can send in a request with $20.00 to recive that plaque if you wish.

    I don't think picking a team in that way will make some people happy for thay may not like who thay get put with :) IMO
     
  16. LoveGlocks

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    It's surprising to me that more vendors do not find it advantageous to form teams. I would think that seeing their Company name on the team results from GSSF/Glcok and the exposure here on GSSF Forum and other forums in Glocktalk would be good for their business.

    Are vendors (especially GT Sponsors) aware of this opportunity or am I wrong... that it really isn't very good exposure for a business?

    Fireglock, DannyR, Don@PC, Rikki, Driver8M3, Sniper, and all the others responders so far... thanks... this is why we have forums.

    Cheers,;c ;c ;c
    LG
     
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    I think the spirit of the idea is what makes us feel more involved ...I have subbed for one team (twice now) and have enjoyed the experience and the memories...I have also shot on another Team that I organized last year at Marietta..( we took a third) and I bought additional plaques for the other two participants. I guess what I consider important is the pleasant memories that come to mind as I look at the plaque, it's not what was won but the experience.

    Rikki I know that there are alot of good top ten shooters for Amateur Civilian that could come from Indiana...there is an upcoming match in Lexington...I bet 3 Teams ( 9people) could be organized if some young blood had the inclination, as Danny said it takes alot of time, but people do back out of promises. I would suggest doing the survey on the Indiana Glockers Forum...I would be willing to paticiapte and/or sponsor a Team...and I know of at least 2 other shooters that would average 100 if you combined their scores . The birth of one Team (Sidearmor) gave to the recreation of another (Carver Mounts)...these people are committed to the growth of the sport and are the Ambassadors of Gssf...its time for more of us to pull our weight. ;f